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should I be concerned I dont have my jobs yet?

274ina said:
The military is all about suckling young people into crap jobs, that you die or are mamed for. The name of the job is not relevant. I served 9 years in they're f****** army not only did I not get paid for it I got nothing else for life for it. You're better off literally working at McDonalds.
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You didn't get paid for being in. Sorry but I really doubt that. And what did you do that you no longer get your VA benefits.
And sorry but there are a lot of very good jobs in the military. I have been enlisted for right about the same amount of time that you were in and I make 3 times more than the average U.S. income and that is with 30 paid days off a year and full medical and dental. And seeing as the majority of jobs on the military are not combat arms I hate to say it but you are just flat out wrong.

If after 9 years you were not doing better than most people working at McDonald's you were either a very crappy soldier or you are lying now.

It's rather obvious you and the Army didn't work out and that's to bad but just making up crap just makes you look silly.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the way I remember it too. Unless I'm really mistaken MEPS was one of the last things I did before I got the plane to San Antonio.
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I didn't get on the plane for 7 months after signing. Just goes to show how fluid the systom is and how difficult it can be for a recruiter to give straight answers.
 
braindrain said:
You didn't get paid for being in. Sorry but I really doubt that. And what did you do that you no longer get your VA benefits.
And sorry but there are a lot of very good jobs in the military. I have been enlisted for right about the same amount of time that you were in and I make 3 times more than the average U.S. income and that is with 30 paid days off a year and full medical and dental. And seeing as the majority of jobs on the military are not combat arms I hate to say it but you are just flat out wrong.

If after 9 years you were not doing better than most people working at McDonald's you were either a very crappy soldier or you are lying now.

It's rather obvious you and the Army didn't work out and that's to bad but just making up crap just makes you look silly.
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My guess is he's a 9-year E-4.

We used to have a 12-year PFC.
 
Jerry said:
My guess is he's a 9-year E-4.

We used to have a 12-year PFC.
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Probably got discharged for drugs or some other crazy stupid decision. He thought the goat said yes or something like that.
 
Jerry said:
Yes, and people do that a lot. My current platoon sergeant started in the Guard, transferred to the regular army after a few years, then transferred back to a guard unit.
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When I first joined the Army National Guard, we had a guy who had left the marine corps as a squad leader. He ended up going back into the marine corps after a couple of years.
 
274ina said:
The military is all about suckling young people into crap jobs, that you die or are mamed for. The name of the job is not relevant. I served 9 years in they're f****** army not only did I not get paid for it I got nothing else for life for it. You're better off literally working at McDonalds.
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These days, the military is one of a young persons best bets in life to have a stable career. When I was in the military, I was never laid off, and I was never broke or hungry. It's a honorable profession that has value and meaning. Even if someone is just going into the military for a job, and for college benefits, it's exceptionally worthwhile.

One of the reasons that I was able to get a managerial job at a fairly early age was because I served in the military. That was the "little extra" thing that distinquished me from the job-seeking competition.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the way I remember it too. Unless I'm really mistaken MEPS was one of the last things I did before I got the plane to San Antonio.
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Yup. I actually never went through MEPS. I had a physical done by a private doctor (was refered to the doc by the recruiter and the military paid for it). I took the ASVAB in high school, and the recruiting office was able to acquire my results without me doing anything extra or special.

I went through the haircut/shot proceedure and math testing (required for my mos) at the reception station, at the same time I was issued equipment.
 
274ina said:
Quit now. Don't waste your life on military. Unless you sever 20 years, and you wont, you get nothing.
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the military life isnt for everyone....few can deal with the constant oversight, and the intense changes you will see in yourself

but for those that make it....it can change your life for the better....

the nothing you will get will include confidence, self worth, and the ability to think on your feet

the ability to deal with challenges....and how to be a small part of a large team

and that doesnt include the educations....from basic, to tech school, to college while in, or after you get out

yeah...the military offers nothing....:lamo
 
braindrain said:
You didn't get paid for being in. Sorry but I really doubt that. And what did you do that you no longer get your VA benefits.
And sorry but there are a lot of very good jobs in the military. I have been enlisted for right about the same amount of time that you were in and I make 3 times more than the average U.S. income and that is with 30 paid days off a year and full medical and dental. And seeing as the majority of jobs on the military are not combat arms I hate to say it but you are just flat out wrong.

If after 9 years you were not doing better than most people working at McDonald's you were either a very crappy soldier or you are lying now.

It's rather obvious you and the Army didn't work out and that's to bad but just making up crap just makes you look silly.
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No only people that serve in certain time periods get VA. Part of the b lies and trickery of the military. Pay has trippled since the 1980s. Pay then only covered gas to show up for the weekend. Your blame the individual narrative does not cover up the lies and fraud of the military. And yes you are better off at McDonalds because your McDonalds 401k will be there for you after 9 years. , after 9 years in the military you get nothing. After 19 years in the military you get nothing.
 
gdgyva said:
the military life isnt for everyone....few can deal with the constant oversight, and the intense changes you will see in yourself

but for those that make it....it can change your life for the better....

the nothing you will get will include confidence, self worth, and the ability to think on your feet

the ability to deal with challenges....and how to be a small part of a large team

and that doesnt include the educations....from basic, to tech school, to college while in, or after you get out

yeah...the military offers nothing....:lamo
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They offer no useful education, and you'd be better off getting a seniority date in a union. You ever wonder why there are so many ex military homeless it's because employers don't want to deal with them.
 
274ina said:
No only people that serve in certain time periods get VA. Part of the b lies and trickery of the military. Pay has trippled since the 1980s. Pay then only covered gas to show up for the weekend. Your blame the individual narrative does not cover up the lies and fraud of the military. And yes you are better off at McDonalds because your McDonalds 401k will be there for you after 9 years. , after 9 years in the military you get nothing. After 19 years in the military you get nothing.
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so you were in the guard, or the reserves?

i was in from late 70's to mid 80's

then reserves till almost 1990

i have VA benefits

i got my education while active duty

sounds like you were NEVER active....if that is the case....i dont know if you qualify for VA or not

some people dont fit into the military....others do

you apparently are of the first type
 
274ina said:
They offer no useful education, and you'd be better off getting a seniority date in a union. You ever wonder why there are so many ex military homeless it's because employers don't want to deal with them.
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i got my first degree from the community college of the air force in human resources

my second from the university of maryland in accounting although i have never been on that campus (all from overseas and on base classes)

my tech school was worth 12 credits in both....hell basic was worth i think 4 or 5 credit hours

i attended many management courses, and weekend seminars that also gave me some credits

i turned that into my 30+ year career....

so i tend to disagree with your assessment

there is an old saying

you get out what you put into something....

maybe you need to look into the mirror as to why you didnt get more out of your opportunities

and yes....there are a lot of military guys who come back to the states and do not readjust back into civilian life well

i have helped a few of them....

most need the structure the military provided....and are lost without it
 
gdgyva said:
i got my first degree from the community college of the air force in human resources

my second from the university of maryland in accounting although i have never been on that campus (all from overseas and on base classes)

my tech school was worth 12 credits in both....hell basic was worth i think 4 or 5 credit hours

i attended many management courses, and weekend seminars that also gave me some credits

i turned that into my 30+ year career....

so i tend to disagree with your assessment

there is an old saying

you get out what you put into something....

maybe you need to look into the mirror as to why you didnt get more out of your opportunities

and yes....there are a lot of military guys who come back to the states and do not readjust back into civilian life well

i have helped a few of them....

most need the structure the military provided....and are lost without it
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Well just because you got the secret path that worked, that just proves that the military is 95% lies. Just like those civilians, Fed employees, that make all that money that actually run the military. They got the secret of making the money and getting the military moron to do their job for them.
 
gdgyva said:
so you were in the guard, or the reserves?

i was in from late 70's to mid 80's

then reserves till almost 1990

i have VA benefits

i got my education while active duty

sounds like you were NEVER active....if that is the case....i dont know if you qualify for VA or not

some people dont fit into the military....others do

you apparently are of the first type
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Reserves. Never active because they made sure to end tours before VA kicked in. They said they pay for college but they never did. The military is for people that know all the secrets, and have hereditary "rights", from dad etc.
 
274ina said:
Well just because you got the secret path that worked, that just proves that the military is 95% lies. Just like those civilians, Fed employees, that make all that money that actually run the military. They got the secret of making the money and getting the military moron to do their job for them.
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you think i am an outlier?

a one in a thousand?

i again would disagree....but we can argue this till blue in the face

you seem to have a major hatred for the military....while for me, it provided a jumping off point to a great career, and life

again...i understand it isnt for everyone....

and what i did wasnt easy....a lot of 18-20 hour days....with little sleep

but it is one path to success for many....and provides educational opportunities they ordinarily would not have seen

i wish your experience would have been better....:peace
 
274ina said:
Reserves. Never active because they made sure to end tours before VA kicked in. They said they pay for college but they never did. The military is for people that know all the secrets, and have hereditary "rights", from dad etc.
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You are just making yourself look sillier and sillier.
There are no secrets. And rights from dad. Give me a break. My dad spent all of 3 years in the army and never made it past the rank of E4. What advantage do you think he gave me.
The truth is obviously the military was not for you. You didn't do well and have hurt feelings over. That's still no reason to make crap up.
 
274ina said:
Well just because you got the secret path that worked, that just proves that the military is 95% lies. Just like those civilians, Fed employees, that make all that money that actually run the military. They got the secret of making the money and getting the military moron to do their job for them.
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Yeah that secret path. Also known as work hard and not be a screw up. The truth is it's actually rather easy to do well in the military.
 
jamesrage said:
Have you taken the asvab test at MEPS yet? I know the recruiter will give you a pre-test at the recruiting station to see how well you do before going to MEPS to do the actual ASVAB test.Just make sure that what ever sign on bonuses such as money, military schools, and duty stations your recruiter promised you is in your contract and keep extra copies.
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GREAT advice. If he talks SRB's (select re-enlistment bonus, if they even offer them any more,) keep in mind that the "need of the Navy," may not require your rate to be adding any more personnel. If, say, FC was 76% manned when you joined, but 105% manned when your EAOS is up, you're screwed.

I don't recall anyone ever actually "making deals," or "negotiating the contract," upon enlistment. You take your pre-tests at MEPS, and if you pass that screen, you take your ASVAB. Then the recruiter tells you, "You can be a this or that." You sign or you don't. But one little screw up in boot or A school, you could find yourself scraping barnacles off the pylons.
 
braindrain said:
You are just making yourself look sillier and sillier.
There are no secrets. And rights from dad. Give me a break. My dad spent all of 3 years in the army and never made it past the rank of E4. What advantage do you think he gave me.
The truth is obviously the military was not for you. You didn't do well and have hurt feelings over. That's still no reason to make crap up.
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the rights are my explanation of the 1st generation knowing all the Byzantine system of the military, then the 2nd generation does not get caught on all the stumbling blocks like I did. And no nothing Is made up. The truth is the military is a waste of time. Young people need to apply to the railroad that has a great retirement and a good Union. But fat chance you will get in.
 
274ina said:
the rights are my explanation of the 1st generation knowing all the Byzantine system of the military, then the 2nd generation does not get caught on all the stumbling blocks like I did. And no nothing Is made up. The truth is the military is a waste of time. Young people need to apply to the railroad that has a great retirement and a good Union. But fat chance you will get in.
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My dad was out of the Army a full decade before I was born and had zero to do with the Army after he got out. I didn't even know the ranks before I decided to join. You really are just ridiculous.

And while you are entitled to your opinion just know it is just that an opinion. And thousands of people every year disagree with you by enlisting and thousands more by reenlisting. And seeing as I make three times the average US salary, will have free med coverage the rest of my life, the GI bill that pays for school when I get out and if I do ten more years a good pension, my last re-enlistment bonus for 5 years was over 40000 tax free somehow that just doesn't seem like to much of a waste of time for me.

Just because it's pretty obvious you didn't do well in the military that doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone.
 
braindrain said:
My dad was out of the Army a full decade before I was born and had zero to do with the Army after he got out. I didn't even know the ranks before I decided to join. You really are just ridiculous.

And while you are entitled to your opinion just know it is just that an opinion. And thousands of people every year disagree with you by enlisting and thousands more by reenlisting. And seeing as I make three times the average US salary, will have free med coverage the rest of my life, the GI bill that pays for school when I get out and if I do ten more years a good pension, my last re-enlistment bonus for 5 years was over 40000 tax free somehow that just doesn't seem like to much of a waste of time for me.

Just because it's pretty obvious you didn't do well in the military that doesn't mean that's the way it is for everyone.
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Yeah I don't know what he's talking about with generational privilege in the service. Maybe that's how it is in his country but I know that's not how it works in the US.
 
MisterLogical said:
I signed up for Meps on Monday but the recruiter hasnt told me what im eligible for yet even though the Navy already has my test scores from my asvab.
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I have no idea how it is now for navy and marines, but when my father joined the navy gave very limited choice and the marines would not tell people until they were already in boot camp what their mos is.

They nowadays might be more upfront, I don't know, I left the marine recruiter when a guy was in the room saying hey the marines said i am clinically insane, but i am sane enough to kill people so i got a waiver. At that moment i said nope and walked next door to the army recruiter.

FYI if you wanted choice in your job the army would have been your best bet. The army even gives options like ranger and airborne which are priviledges for navy and marines once they hit a certain rank.
 
Jerry said:
Yeah I don't know what he's talking about with generational privilege in the service. Maybe that's how it is in his country but I know that's not how it works in the US.
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I was in the US military and yes that is how it works. Federal jobs and the military are the absolute height of cronyism and the new de facto hereditary positions. Go talk to a few veterans on the street and see what they have to say about the military. LMAO......
 
274ina said:
I was in the US military and yes that is how it works. Federal jobs and the military are the absolute height of cronyism and the new de facto hereditary positions. Go talk to a few veterans on the street and see what they have to say about the military. LMAO......
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I am a veteran and I'm still in the Army and no that's not how it works at all.
 
Jerry said:
I am a veteran and I'm still in the Army and no that's not how it works at all.
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Yup, and when you get kicked out after 18 years, and get nothing, you will say the same thing, when your homeless on the street.
 
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