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Green Beret Kicked Out Of Army For Attacking Afghani Child Rapist Breaks Silence

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Green Beret Speaks After Attacking Rapist | The Daily Caller

Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland, a Green Beret who has been discharged from the Army for confronting a child rapist in Afghanistan, came out swinging in his first public statements saying, “Kicking me out of the Army is morally wrong and the entire country knows it.”


Martland’s statement was given to Republican California Rep. Duncan Hunter, who then shared the statement with Fox News. Martland was discharged after body slamming a local Afghani police chief Abdul Rahman who had been allegedly raping young boys, and the soldier described as a “brutal child rapist.”
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Now, before anyone starts saying that this cites the Daily Caller and Fox News, I heard this exact same story from a super liberal source last week.

The only question I have to ask is this: How do we help get Martland reinstated?
 
If the allegations are true, and this police chief is a rapist, the green beret in question deserves much more than what the military could do as an apology.
 
It could be a matter of him breaking some rule. Maybe he wasnt allowed legally to interfere with something like that.

Perhaps it is that instead of them kicking him out for being a good samaritan?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
The only question I have to ask is this: How do we help get Martland reinstated?
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It may not be possible. If I understand the story correctly, the reason given by both Martland and Quinn is the Afghan authorities would not do much to help once it was reported that this "local police official" was raping a small boy. The issue here is our sense of doing something in this case when their local government does not, and unfortunately there is not much room within Army command or the Army code of conduct for soldiers to engage in their own brand of local justice.

I do not see reinstatement possible.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It may not be possible. If I understand the story correctly, the reason given by both Martland and Quinn is the Afghan authorities would not do much to help once it was reported that this "local police official" was raping a small boy. The issue here is our sense of doing something in this case when their local government does not, and unfortunately there is not much room within Army command or the Army code of conduct for soldiers to engage in their own brand of local justice.

I do not see reinstatement possible.
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That's a damn shame. Don't get me wrong, I understand that rules are rules especially in the military, but sometimes rules must be broken for the better good.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Please note that I slightly edited the title so it would fit. Now, before anyone starts saying that this cites the Daily Caller and Fox News, I heard this exact same story from a super liberal source last week. The only question I have to ask is this: How do we help get Martland reinstated?
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I can't find this story on even a slightly liberal website, much less a 'super liberal' source.... care to share? :peace
 
OrphanSlug said:
I do not see reinstatement possible.
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Neither do I.

Nor do I support it.

I support what SFC Martland did, as I believe that morally it was the right thing to do.

But it was also an "illegal" thing to do and he deserves to be punished for it.

Where do we draw the line on vigilantism as it applies to U.S. military forces deployed in support of a non-hostile host nation?

Apparently, for some, it's okay for them to beat minor local official for rape in Afghanistan.

What about beating a minor local official for stealing in Germany?

Or for driving like an asshole in Japan?

I don't think service members can, nor do I think they should, be given that latitude.

The line is clear as it is - U.S. forces do not enforce foreign laws, nor do they impose American standards of morality or behavior on foreign nationals by the threat or application of physical violence.

Martland is a big boy.

He knew those rules.

He chose to break them.

He got caught.

Not only is he a Soldier, but he's also a senior non commissioned officer.

Not only is he a senior non commissioned officer, but he's an SNCO serving in our Special Operations Forces.

If he isn't held to the standard then it sends the wrong message to lower enlisted Soldiers and to senior leaders in less auspicious commands.
 
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If the story is true as reported then this NCO broke the rules. He doesn't get to play vigilante.

That said, I don't think it was MORALLY wrong and I would like to buy the man a beer. :)
 
Mr. Invisible said:
That's a damn shame. Don't get me wrong, I understand that rules are rules especially in the military, but sometimes rules must be broken for the better good.
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There is little about this story that is *not* a damn shame, all the way around. There is always going to be some circumstance, some condition, where our soldiers resolve is tested. And this was an extremely tough case for these soldiers to deal with, someone in a local official capacity harming a child. The flip side of the "sometimes rules must be broken for the better good" is how do we objectively determine the better good in some other nation? This case seems very clear, but others may not be the same where soldiers agree on the method of intervention. It is a potential interpretative problem. Example. We have very strong feelings in this nation being against child brides, girls as young as 12 (sometimes younger) being married off to older men with the girl having zero say so on the matter. Over there that **** happens every day.

It is a terrible situation I agree, but once we open the door to soldiers deciding on their own what is and is not acceptable to get involved in to the point of exerting on the spot justice it will only be a matter of time before we have real, and I do mean real, problems.
 
Martland must be reinstated.

What would really help is the locals demonstrating that they are for such heroism and demanding him back!

They should at least do that!
 
Mr. Invisible said:
That's a damn shame. Don't get me wrong, I understand that rules are rules especially in the military, but sometimes rules must be broken for the better good.
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As a wounded vet I agree, however as a wounded vet I can tell you the military protects, not practices democracy. Fair as a civilian sees it is of little consequence. His appeal wasn't denied on a technicality, but on the very bedrock of military justice.

For a soldier the system is simple- if you act you must face the consequences. Doesn't matter what the civilian world does/thinks. From gays with outstanding service records (where else does being gay automatically bar you from employment- no questions asked) being discharged for simply telling the truth about their orientation... (this is back in my day)

I would like to read more about this- so far it is one side of the story- and the main source cited by all the CON websites is Faux Noise...
 
where is the justice in his involuntary discharge

had we learned that this NCO was aware of an afghani official holding a child as a sexual slave, and he did nothing to prevent that predator's actions, when he could have ... we would roundly castigate that NCO's failure to act

and now, that he did, we see veterans insisting that he did not follow proper protocol, even tho he undertook the correct, morally right action, and that is why he deserved to have his career ended

bull****. that is like saying the soldiers in william calley's command deserved to be court martialled because they disobeyed his direct orders to fire upon non-threatening civilian women and children during the my lai massacre
 
soot said:
Neither do I.

Nor do I support it.

I support what SFC Martland did, as I believe that morally it was the right thing to do.

But it was also an "illegal" thing to do and he deserves to be punished for it.

Where do we draw the line on vigilantism as it applies to U.S. military forces deployed in support of a non-hostile host nation?

Apparently, for some, it's okay for them to beat minor local official for rape in Afghanistan.

What about beating a minor local official for stealing in Germany?

Or for driving like an asshole in Japan?

I don't think service members can, nor do I think they should, be given that latitude.

The line is clear as it is - U.S. forces do not enforce foreign laws, nor do they impose American standards of morality or behavior on foreign nationals by the threat or application of physical violence.

Martland is a big boy.

He knew those rules.

He chose to break them.

He got caught.

Not only is he a Soldier, but he's also a senior non commissioned officer.

Not only is he a senior non commissioned officer, but he's an SNCO serving in our Special Operations Forces.

If he isn't held to the standard then it sends the wrong message to lower enlisted Soldiers and to senior leaders in less auspicious commands.
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Greetings, soot. :2wave:

:agree: with the points you have made, but I'm actually saddened he stopped with a beating! How can anyone be expected to witness an ***hole raping a child and walk away, no matter what country they're in? They have to forever live with that, knowing they allowed it because of someone else's stupid rules. I'm on his side in this!
 
BrewerBob said:
If the story is true as reported then this NCO broke the rules. He doesn't get to play vigilante.

That said, I don't think it was MORALLY wrong and I would like to buy the man a beer. :)
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i would like to see this man promoted, and our commander in chief fired. only one of the two currently has their head on straight.

I respect the apparent Afghan cultural-tradition of raping children, however the afghans should have to respect our culture as well.

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Mr. Invisible said:
Here it is: Citizen Radio
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Wow, never even heard of this 'source'... a comic and social critic web show... used to be called 'Drunken Politics'... you listen to that???

What I was looking for is someone who isn't repeating the same one sided story on this. Though I must admit Goldstein's report goes far more into the in country side vs Faux Noise quoting politicians, seems the 'super liberal' (I'd say super anarchist/libertarian/comic) coverage was far more in-depth and far less politician grandstand format.

Still I'd like a bit more of the documents released by the Former green beret. His documents and copy of the court transcript would be a great start. I have a feeling that the reason he was released from service is the same as a gay outed back in my day. "Regs are regs and you knew that from the git-go"
 
notquiteright said:
Wow, never even heard of this 'source'... a comic and social critic web show... used to be called 'Drunken Politics'... you listen to that???

What I was looking for is someone who isn't repeating the same one sided story on this. Though I must admit Goldstein's report goes far more into the in country side vs Faux Noise quoting politicians, seems the 'super liberal' (I'd say super anarchist/libertarian/comic) coverage was far more in-depth and far less politician grandstand format.

Still I'd like a bit more of the documents released by the Former green beret. His documents and copy of the court transcript would be a great start. I have a feeling that the reason he was released from service is the same as a gay outed back in my day. "Regs are regs and you knew that from the git-go"
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While they do have a lot of humor, they've actually had on a number of guests such as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Jeremy Scahill, Michael Hastings, Sarah Silverman, and many other people. Really all you need to do is look at the linked NYT article.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
i would like to see this man promoted, and our commander in chief fired. only one of the two currently has their head on straight.

I respect the apparent Afghan cultural-tradition of raping children, however the afghans should have to respect our culture as well.

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And Vikings killed the wives or a few volunteers with their kings... I don't recall a great deal of moral backlash to this... perhaps we should remember we didn't conquer Afghanistan, we are their to help them, not remake them in out image. The down side of nation building is often the 'Western' culture's rather naive and arrogant insistence the host nation WANTS to be reborn blows up in our collective faces.

Quoting an Imperialist from a never to return age seems so regressive... perhaps it is good we don't allow Regressives to run things... well not too often at least... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
And Vikings killed the wives or a few volunteers with their kings... I don't recall a great deal of moral backlash to this... perhaps we should remember we didn't conquer Afghanistan, we are their to help them, not remake them in out image. The down side of nation building is often the 'Western' culture's rather naive and arrogant insistence the host nation WANTS to be reborn blows up in our collective faces.

Quoting an Imperialist from a never to return age seems so regressive... perhaps it is good we don't allow Regressives to run things... well not too often at least... :peace
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LOL you're bringing up actions taken by pagans 1000 years ago to justify muslims raping children last week. and blaming conservatives for it. good show.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
While they do have a lot of humor, they've actually had on a number of guests such as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Jeremy Scahill, Michael Hastings, Sarah Silverman, and many other people. Really all you need to do is look at the linked NYT article.
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I did hit the link, just thought it amusing you'd cite this source instead of the NYT- the original source... It is just ahhh odd you cite the Radio website to 'prove' even liberals are on the story, when it is a republishing of a NYT story. I found dozens of reposts of the Faux Noise story on the interwebz but not one 'super liberal' source, you either enjoy a wide range of entertainment or a very good search engine...
 
notquiteright said:
I did hit the link, just thought it amusing you'd cite this source instead of the NYT- the original source... It is just ahhh odd you cite the Radio website to 'prove' even liberals are on the story, when it is a republishing of a NYT story. I found dozens of reposts of the Faux Noise story on the interwebz but not one 'super liberal' source, you either enjoy a wide range of entertainment or a very good search engine...
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it seems liberals don't care that an honorable man lost his job trying to prevent the rape of a child. if it doesn't come from a liberal source, i guess it's not real. :lamo
 
notquiteright said:
I did hit the link, just thought it amusing you'd cite this source instead of the NYT- the original source... It is just ahhh odd you cite the Radio website to 'prove' even liberals are on the story, when it is a republishing of a NYT story. I found dozens of reposts of the Faux Noise story on the interwebz but not one 'super liberal' source, you either enjoy a wide range of entertainment or a very good search engine...
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I do enjoy a wide range of entertainment. Like I said, while they have humor they do talk about stories that I don't really hear about and I actually like the humor. I keep up a lot with politics and it can be very saddening, so their humor is really needed IMO, to at least have a couple laughs every now and then.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
LOL you're bring up actions taken by pagans 1000 years ago to justify muslims raping children last week. and blaming conservatives for it. good show.
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You bring up a dead empire and Imperialist's supposed quote as an example of what we should do... seriously???

I bring up the double standard the West has for older cultures.

Not blaming regressives- merely pointing out how out of touch they are... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
You bring up a dead empire and Imperialist's supposed quote as an example of what we should do... seriously???

I bring up the double standard the West has for older cultures.

Not blaming regressives- merely pointing out how out of touch they are... :peace
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oh yes, conservatives are out of touch, because we don't support allowing afghans to rape children. but it's OK, because they're an 'older culture', so they get a free pass to rape children. that's your argument. :roll:
 
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