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2 Women Earn The Ranger Tab

Riveroaks said:
You keep hammering your point with verbosity.
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You keep failing to make a point.

Vague, open-ended generalizations you're aces.

But making an actual point, not so much.
 
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So they got tabbed? Cool. Good luck getting into an actual Ranger unit. Lots of Soldiers tab and never serve as a Ranger, like tabbing Air-Assault and spending the rest of your career at the air field preparing loads, never actually jumping into combat ever.
 
Jerry said:
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So they got tabbed? Cool. Good luck getting into an actual Ranger unit. Lots of Soldiers tab and never serve as a Ranger, like tabbing Air-Assault and spending the rest of your career at the air field preparing loads, never actually jumping into combat ever.
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While I agree with your assessment you do know air assault has nothing to do with jumping right?
 
braindrain said:
While I agree with your assessment you do know air assault has nothing to do with jumping right?
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As you read that post you're free to replace "jumping" with "repelling", big dif.
 
austrianecon said:
It's a giant scam, those women had a different standard. Ironcially, it took People mag to actually write about it..

Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: 'A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,' Sources Say
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This is complete and total bull****. First, it's People magazine, a gossip magazine that doesn't care about sources or facts, not a real news source. When you read the article you see over and over again "sources say" "sources say" yet never at any point are any sources cited. It's like they heard it at the water cooler and now they're going to keep the rumor going.

The women were held to the same standard, period. If they weren't, I'd be the first to cry foul. If you want to make such serious allegations you're going to need to provide better sources.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This is complete and total bull****. First, it's People magazine, a gossip magazine that doesn't care about sources or facts, not a real news source. When you read the article you see over and over again "sources say" "sources say" yet never at any point are any sources cited. It's like they heard it at the water cooler and now they're going to keep the rumor going.

The women were held to the same standard, period. If they weren't, I'd be the first to cry foul. If you want to make such serious allegations you're going to need to provide better sources.
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Not saying that you are completely wrong and you are for sure right about People being crap but curious as to how you know for 100% certainty that they were held to the same standard. Because to be honest a lot of what is in that article mirrors fairly closely from what my friends who work down there have told me.
 
braindrain said:
Not saying that you are completely wrong and you are for sure right about People being crap but curious as to how you know for 100% certainty that they were held to the same standard. Because to be honest a lot of what is in that article mirrors fairly closely from what my friends who work down there have told me.
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Well, I was airborne infantry for 4 years and I was able to go through a lot of schools. What I could take away from that is that there is a tremendous amount of pride and accomplishment in completing these schools, and it's something that we in the infantry held very dear. I've been following this story closely because my personal view is that as long as the standards don't change they should be allowed to compete. Every single thing I've read outside of this People article has suggested that the standards haven't changed. The cadre interviewed don't seem to have think it changed and neither do my friends with tabs seem to think it's changed. The infantry are a proud people, and they would be screaming bloody murder at the top of their lungs if they thought the standards were being changed to accommodate. However, the reaction has been overwhelmingly congratulatory and there has been no indication the standards were lowered.

Further, if you look at the numbers, they're not unreasonable. [Link] 380 men and 17 women started, and 94 men and 2 women graduated. That's a 25% graduation rate for men and a 12% graduation rate for women. That's pretty much what we'd expect to see, a dramatically lower chance of a woman graduating than a man. Also, I'd say it's much easier to get a Ranger slot as a man than it is a woman, so the women who do get it are probably mildly more serious than the average man who gets it. What reasons do you have to believe they were accommodated?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well, I was airborne infantry for 4 years and I was able to go through a lot of schools. What I could take away from that is that there is a tremendous amount of pride and accomplishment in completing these schools, and it's something that we in the infantry held very dear. I've been following this story closely because my personal view is that as long as the standards don't change they should be allowed to compete. Every single thing I've read outside of this People article has suggested that the standards haven't changed. The cadre interviewed don't seem to have think it changed and neither do my friends with tabs seem to think it's changed. The infantry are a proud people, and they would be screaming bloody murder at the top of their lungs if they thought the standards were being changed to accommodate. However, the reaction has been overwhelmingly congratulatory and there has been no indication the standards were lowered.

Further, if you look at the numbers, they're not unreasonable. [Link] 380 men and 17 women started, and 94 men and 2 women graduated. That's a 25% graduation rate for men and a 12% graduation rate for women. That's pretty much what we'd expect to see, a dramatically lower chance of a woman graduating than a man. Also, I'd say it's much easier to get a Ranger slot as a man than it is a woman, so the women who do get it are probably mildly more serious than the average man who gets it. What reasons do you have to believe they were accommodated?
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I was two years 11B in the 82nd and the past 8 and counting as an 18C in SF. So while I understand what you mean about pride and tradition but unfortunately I also understand what pressured from higher can make people do especially when you have people concerned about their careers. I have seen people do things they knew was crap but they had thier BN commander breathing down thier neck.

The main reason I have doubts that they were held to the same standards is due to the things I have been told by a friend of mine who is a RI down at Florida phase. As I said earlier quite a bit of the stuff I heard was very similar to what is in that article.

There is also just the fact that when you have the JCS telling those of us in special operations that if not enough women make it through selection courses then it will be up to the organizations to justify why the standards are as high as they are and do they need to be that high. To me that is rather clear evidence that having what they consider enough women make it through is more important than maintaining the standards. Call me pessimistic I suppose.
 
braindrain said:
I was two years 11B in the 82nd and the past 8 and counting as an 18C in SF. So while I understand what you mean about pride and tradition but unfortunately I also understand what pressured from higher can make people do especially when you have people concerned about their careers. I have seen people do things they knew was crap but they had thier BN commander breathing down thier neck.

The main reason I have doubts that they were held to the same standards is due to the things I have been told by a friend of mine who is a RI down at Florida phase. As I said earlier quite a bit of the stuff I heard was very similar to what is in that article.

There is also just the fact that when you have the JCS telling those of us in special operations that if not enough women make it through selection courses then it will be up to the organizations to justify why the standards are as high as they are and do they need to be that high. To me that is rather clear evidence that having what they consider enough women make it through is more important than maintaining the standards. Call me pessimistic I suppose.
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I won't....it's exactly what I would expect...given this Commander in Chief is a liberal douchebag and has subverted our military time and time again!

When Valerie Jarret tells obama what to do...he does it!
 
Third Woman Graduates Ranger School

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Maj. Lisa Jaster (center) became the third woman to graduate from the U.S. Army's Ranger School.
She joins Capt. Kristen Griest (L) and 1st Lt. Shaye Haver (R)
 
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