US Sailors Fall Sick After Fukushima Duty

roguenuke said:

No government agency would have a need to coverup anything for Fukushima though. Any problems would have been the company's responsibility. If anything, our government would have a case against them and bring up all that happened if it were truly serious. There would be no need not to. We were there to help.

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I understand what you're saying, and agree in part if not in whole, but I still find the post to reflect a fairly naïve view of how government actually works. eace

Still developing, new papers released. Sailors onboard reported metallic taste as Reagan sailed through fallout plume.

http://tinyurl.com/kmnbed5

Henry David said:

Still developing, new papers released. Sailors onboard reported metallic taste as Reagan sailed through fallout plume.

Documents Say Navy Knew Fukushima Dangerously Contaminated the USS Reagan | Common Dreams

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I know that there is some serious misinformation going on with this article/blog. There is no way that they could have gotten this "At 100 meters away it (the helicopter) was reading 4 sieverts per hour." off a helicopter on that deck, particularly not ones with people in them or ones claiming to be flown. They would have died the minute they stepped out of those copters. That is how high the radiation would have been inside (in fact, it is possible that they would have simply died flying them while first experiencing horrible radiation sickness).

There are calculations that come into play here know as distance calculations (time distance shielding). These provide a way to determine how much of a dose rate a person is getting at a certain distance if they know how much a dose rate is at another distance or to determine how far away boundaries when it comes to safe doses (I am familiar with these because we had to do hundreds of these calculations during my training).

I1=I2xd2(squared)/d1(squared) where I1 = dose rate of shorter distance, d1 = shorter distance, I2 = dose rate at further distance, d2 = further distance

That means that with the starting information, at just 1 meter away, the dose rate would be 40000s/hr. That would be absolutely deadly. This is about 667s/min. It does not take that much to kill someone, in fact kills everyone exposed to it within a day or so.

We won't even get into the fact that the levels in the actual area of the Fukushima plant weren't even that high.

Radiation exposure: a quick guide to what each level means | World news | theguardian.com

And 30x our normal levels is going to be less than 30mR/hr, since normal background radiation is less than 1mR/hr in most places out to sea (or even most places on land). Heck the normal dose rate for humans is listed in mS/year because it is that small.

Background radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

roguenuke said:

I know that there is some serious misinformation going on with this article/blog.

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I would not even call it "misinformation".

I did not find any sources in there at all! As far as I can tell, the author made it all up.

Oozlefinch said:

I would not even call it "misinformation".

I did not find any sources in there at all! As far as I can tell, the author made it all up.

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I laughed my ass off at the photo of the sailors washing the deck. OMG!! We do that like every so often without radiation, and wouldn't do that for a highly contaminated deck. (The Navy would not be allowed to operate any nuclear aircraft carriers anymore (at least for a while) if that is how we cleaned up a highly contaminated flight deck.)

Yeah, everybody "makes it all up" except for the Japanese company and the US government. :lamo

Everybody is a liar except for our illustrious government bureaucrats. Such a simple view of life.

Henry David said:

Yeah, everybody "makes it all up" except for the Japanese company and the US government. :lamo

Everybody is a liar except for our illustrious government bureaucrats. Such a simple view of life.

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My head is hurting after drinking some if that alcohol. Could this be a government conspiracy? Huh? Why not? What's to prevent the government from hurting me huh? Could it be those Jews and the banksters? Evidence? They're all government-fabricated! It's obvious that they want to profit from my death tax and that those Jewish lawyers from my legal fees. Government bureaucrats are responsible for this. It's another new conspiracy no doubt. The government is definitely out to get me. What? Stoplights? They're just another part of the government conspiracy. All they do is decrease our speed so that more oil is consumed. What? Of course it consumes more oil, there's more time spent driving. Simple math! It's the oil companies this time. And those damned Jews again. What, condoms? Another government conspiracy! The government wants to decrease birth rates so there aren't as many intelligent free-thinkers like us! Those dirty condom companies, they lobbied the government to force birth control so there would be more profits! And the damned Jews are at the bottom of this, I swear.

Henry David said:

Yeah, everybody "makes it all up" except for the Japanese company and the US government. :lamo

Everybody is a liar except for our illustrious government bureaucrats. Such a simple view of life.

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I'm not saying it is "all made up". I am saying that the information that they are giving out in that blog that keeps getting posted on this case is false and cannot possibly be true. I even showed why. I don't know if the blogger is simply getting false information or making it up, but it isn't true. It can't be. There would be dead sailors from those copters and anyone who got close to them with the readings reported. And some of it is being sensationalized, such as the "30x normal background" comment. That isn't really that big of a deal but is being made out to be because the general public doesn't know any better and apparently refuses to actually check into it and learn a little bit more about normal background and what allowable limits are. Any sailor that went to help with a nuclear accident has to realize that they would get exposed to some above normal radiation levels. No one lied about that at all.

Proud South Korean said:

My head is hurting after drinking some if that alcohol. Could this be a government conspiracy?

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To HD, everything is a conspiracy. That is why ignored him months ago. Nothing he says means anything, and it does not matter if his source can back a single claim at all, simply that they said it is good enough for him.

Maybe someday he will learn the difference between "sourced" and "unsourced", and which should be believed over the other.

roguenuke said:

I'm not saying it is "all made up". I am saying that the information that they are giving out in that blog that keeps getting posted on this case is false and cannot possibly be true.

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And not only that, it is simply the same things posted over and over again.

And when they provide any kind of source at all, it is always the exact same source, the lawyer who is filing this lawsuit.

And anything else makes incredible claims, with no sources at all (like this newest one).

Even William Randolph Hearst would be embarrassed to print this coprolite.

Oozlefinch said:

To HD, everything is a conspiracy. That is why ignored him months ago. Nothing he says means anything, and it does not matter if his source can back a single claim at all, simply that they said it is good enough for him.

Maybe someday he will learn the difference between "sourced" and "unsourced", and which should be believed over the other.

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And to you, everything the brass says is 150% true and accurate, and the government and the brass NEVER make mistakes.

Mary Tillman could tell you a thing or two Snoozle.

Odd this has not appeared on the nightly news...........ever!

It seems this story is real....if overblown:

"Citing a wide range of ailments from leukemia to blindness to birth defects, 79 American veterans of 2011's earthquake/tsunami relief Operation Tomadachi ("Friendship") have filed a new $1 billion class action lawsuit against Tokyo Electric Power.

The suit includes an infant born with a genetic condition to a sailor who served on the USS Ronald Reagan as radiation poured over it during the Fukushima melt-downs, and an American teenager living near the stricken site. It has also been left open for "up to 70,000 U.S. citizens [who were] potentially affected by the radiation and will be able to join the class action suit."


Now docked in San Diego, the USS Reagan's on-going safety has become a political hot potato. The $4.3 billion carrier is at the core of the U.S. Naval presence in the Pacific. Critics say it's too radioactive to operate or to scrap, and that it should be sunk, as were a number of U.S. ships contaminated by atmospheric Bomb tests in the South Pacific. "
US Sailors Sick From Fukushima Radiation File New Class Action | Harvey Wasserman

rhinefire said:

Odd this has not appeared on the nightly news...........ever!

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Because it is not true. If you actually look, these are all blog entries by the same people. No evidence, no confirmation, no research, and pretty much all just rehashes of the attorneys press release.

tecoyah said:

It seems this story is real....if overblown:

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If you notice, that is not the Huffington Post reporting the story. That is a blog on their site.

Fake credibility.

Oozlefinch said:

Because it is not true. If you actually look, these are all blog entries by the same people. No evidence, no confirmation, no research, and pretty much all just rehashes of the attorneys press release.



If you notice, that is not the Huffington Post reporting the story. That is a blog on their site.

Fake credibility.

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What...you think HuffPo has credibility?

tecoyah said:

What...you think HuffPo has credibility?

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It may. Any news source has levels of credibility, both high and low. And often times it varies greatly in who is actually reporting the news as well.

But a blog? Very little at all unless they can source their claims. And this blog has none.

Oozle does not believe all those sailors, but I do.

This really happened, as man has radiated the earth. From a fire underground near Carlsbad, nuclear waste escaped into the atmosphere for a number of hours, and Texas is downwind.

We have screwed up the planet with the nuclear thing, poisoning ourselves for the sake of cheap power.

Henry David said:

Oozle does not believe all those sailors, but I do.

This really happened, as man has radiated the earth. From a fire underground near Carlsbad, nuclear waste escaped into the atmosphere for a number of hours, and Texas is downwind.

We have screwed up the planet with the nuclear thing, poisoning ourselves for the sake of cheap power.

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Oh My....your testimony has convinced me...incredibly compelling with such fabulously convincing data and linked materials.

tecoyah said:

Oh My....your testimony has convinced me...incredibly compelling with such fabulously convincing data and linked materials.

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Especially since we are not hearing "from the sailors", but 2nd hand crap from a fracking lawyer!

Where is the evidence? Gee, there is none! Claims of "reports". But gee, not a single report quoted, referenced, or given any kind of validity. Myself, I believe that the report if made by the lawyer, because we have yet to see any reference so we can read this phantom "report" ourselves.

This is where HD is weakest, in referencing his sources. Somebody makes some claim, and he accepts it sight-unseen. Me, I am a skeptic. I like to see proof before I believe something. HD probably believes fairy tales are real.

tecoyah said:

Oh My....your testimony has convinced me...incredibly compelling with such fabulously convincing data and linked materials.

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Testimony? I suppose in the loosest sense of the word.

Opinion, is what I would call it. Until I get to personally visit the Reagan with an instrument to measure its radioactivity, and until I get to personally interview the plaintiffs in the suit, I will have to form my opinion according to what I read from other sources, such as HuffPo and DoD releases.

Is the story told by the plaintiffs plausible? By all means, unless they are making all this up about Fukushima.

Is it plausible that the man commanding the Reagan made a mistake and exposed his ship and crew to nuclear fallout? Absolutely, just as it was quite possible that a Navy ship would accidentally cruise right into the reef in the Philipines last year.

After receiving a link to Natural News from a friend this morning, I googled it with the attorney's name, Charles Bonner.

Yes, a suit is proceeding, but not against the Navy. Apparently the Pentagon and the Navy were not quite smart enough to understand the dangers involved in sailing into a radioactive plume, but it doesn't matter because they cannot be sued by any sailors.

However the Japanese companies involved CAN be sued, though I wonder how TPP will effect that.

Young sailors, in their early 20s a relatively small group of people, are afflicted with testicular cancer, thyroid cancer, leukemias of different sorts, rectal and gynecological bleeding. Some are going blind, and some pilots have developed brain tumors.

Diseases similar to those manifest in the people who worked at GZ. Radiation poisoning, big time.

Thoreau72 said:

After receiving a link to Natural News from a friend this morning, I googled it with the attorney's name, Charles Bonner.

Yes, a suit is proceeding, but not against the Navy. Apparently the Pentagon and the Navy were not quite smart enough to understand the dangers involved in sailing into a radioactive plume, but it doesn't matter because they cannot be sued by any sailors.

However the Japanese companies involved CAN be sued, though I wonder how TPP will effect that.

Young sailors, in their early 20s a relatively small group of people, are afflicted with testicular cancer, thyroid cancer, leukemias of different sorts, rectal and gynecological bleeding. Some are going blind, and some pilots have developed brain tumors.

Diseases similar to those manifest in the people who worked at GZ. Radiation poisoning, big time.

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That is not radiation poisoning. You could say radiation is responsible, although information has already been provided to show that the numbers are not significantly higher than normal population distributions for those things, but radiation poisoning is a specific acute reaction to high levels of radiation, not exposure connected radiation diseases/disorders.

Not all the people involved were young sailors in their early 20s either. And young sailors in those age groups get some of those issues without exposure to anything.

Plus there are lies being perpetrated by the lawyer(s) suing, including that no radiation monitoring was done by the carrier. Nuclear powered aircraft carriers have plenty of radiation monitoring going on all the time. They cannot turn it off.

roguenuke said:

That is not radiation poisoning. You could say radiation is responsible, although information has already been provided to show that the numbers are not significantly higher than normal population distributions for those things, but radiation poisoning is a specific acute reaction to high levels of radiation, not exposure connected radiation diseases/disorders.

Not all the people involved were young sailors in their early 20s either. And young sailors in those age groups get some of those issues without exposure to anything.

Plus there are lies being perpetrated by the lawyer(s) suing, including that no radiation monitoring was done by the carrier. Nuclear powered aircraft carriers have plenty of radiation monitoring going on all the time. They cannot turn it off.

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So you say madam, so you say.

Me, I'm neutral, and now torn between your interpretation of what did or did not happen, and the facts known, and the medical conditions manifested. You would have me believe that sailing into a radioactive plume, by ignorance or by accident, would have no effect on the humans exposed, that their unusual cancers and bleeding and tumors have nothing to do with radiation.

Sorry lady, I appreciate your input, but I'm going to watch this one from the sidelines. My bet is that TPP will prevent the lawsuit from going forward. More sailors will die, and the gross injustice brought will not be corrected. Yes, life is cruel, but truth can be found. eace

Thoreau72 said:

So you say madam, so you say.

Me, I'm neutral, and now torn between your interpretation of what did or did not happen, and the facts known, and the medical conditions manifested. You would have me believe that sailing into a radioactive plume, by ignorance or by accident, would have no effect on the humans exposed, that their unusual cancers and bleeding and tumors have nothing to do with radiation.

Sorry lady, I appreciate your input, but I'm going to watch this one from the sidelines. My bet is that TPP will prevent the lawsuit from going forward. More sailors will die, and the gross injustice brought will not be corrected. Yes, life is cruel, but truth can be found. eace

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I'm well aware of how radiation works as well as navy radiation procedures. I was getting radiation exposure on a nuclear power aircraft carrier for 4.5 years. I know what is normal and how "30x normal" radiation exposure aboard is nothing that could cause issues. There isn't that much background radiation to begin with.

Yes ma'am, I knew that.