Marine Coprs General Fired

Wiggen said:

I spent three years of my life on an amphibious assault ship with 600 Marines. Of course I never got to 'have coffee' with a general, either.

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you probably didn't have the rank or position to be around Generals...I did.
fwiw, I first met Mattis when he was a Captain...

Thrilla said:

no, being relieved of command is not necessarily the same thing as getting fired... it can be, or it can simply be a change of command.

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While technically true, be relieved of command is usually a career stopper.

I'm the FNG on this forum. One of the refuges from the Politico.com forum that is receiving the cuda de grace in abou a hour from now. But I digress.

Been there and done that. Combat Vietnam vet and was an civilian instructor at the Amphibious Naval Base on Coronado Island, San Diego off and on from the 80's to the early 2000's. I'm still part of the military community. Come from a navy / Marine corps family tradition since 1800's. But half of the family served in the army during WW ll. Still a strong believer in the civilan soldier but the all volunteer military worked out well.

It is well known that if President Obama finds any commissioned officer and even an SNCO who's not politically correct, your career is over.

Our incompetent Commander n' Chief has actually removed the Commander of all Marine Corps bases in Hawaii from his command just to appease PETA. That happened last year over goats !

It seems that when Obama fired Gen. McChrystal, the only general who knew how to fight an unconventional war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, Obama's cajones got bigger. From what I hear, more officers have been relieved of their commands under the Obama administration than under any of the former past ten Presidents. The Obama administration actually ordered the court martial of an enlisted Marine NCO because of something he posted on a private social media website. That's a first for any Cn'C to do !

And it seems Obama and the Obama White House can't figure out why, that Obama has the lowest approval rating by our troops as their Cn'C than any other President in modern times.

Back in 2010 at a social function I had a Lt. General tell me off the record that President Obama is a "national security risk" with the decisions he has already made. I'm sure if Obama found out who this general was, he also would be relieved of his command and forced in to retirement.

Why has the MSM ignored the complaints from our soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of President Obama's politically correct Rules of Engagement (ROE) that he has forced upon our troops that favor the enemy ? It's getting them killed !

Why has the MSM refused to report to the American people that more Americans soldiers have been killed in lest than four years of the first Obama administration than the entire eight years of the G.W. Bush administration ? Why ?

I'll tell you why, the MSM is in the tank to protect their boy, Barack Obama. That G.W. Bush's ROE for our troops was to kill the enemy before they kill you. Obama's ROE are not to kill the enemy until he has already fired at you and is killing your buddies.

If I were a commissioned officer on active duty and said what I just said about Obama's ROE that don't favor our troops but the Taliban, I would be joining the long line of officers under the Obama administration who have been relieved of their commands or forced in to retirement.

Wiggen said:

Would that be this 'firing':

CENTCOM General James Mattis To Retire From Marine Corps | The Duffel Blog

I could believe the New York Post and right wing blogs or I could believe 'The American military's most trusted news source' .

Hmmm.....tough decision. Especially since the Duffel Blog has numerous quotes from the General on why he is retiring and the New York Post has.......nothing from him.

You guys really are fun.

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You do know that Duffel Blog is a joke right? As in they make up fake news for the entertainment of Marines?

Great story about this guy, General Mattis. After "victory" was declared during the 2003 Iraq invasion, we were heading back on 7 ton trucks to Kuwait to embark back to the US. I was flying a HUUUUUUUUUGE Jolly Roger between the cab and bed of my 7 ton. I mean, this thing was epic. Come to find out later, flying the Jolly Roger has some sort of naval roots as saying our unit had gone rogue or some crap. Who knew? It's not like we're a Dept of the Navy or anything :shock: Anyway, we're riding down the road and I have my arm hanging out of the window (no IED's back then) and we come to a halt on the road for some reason. At that moment, I feel someone coming up the side of my truck to the window. I look down and it's General Mattis. Before I know it, this dude is literally shoulder deep in my cab yelling at me "What the f*** are you doing flying a f***** Jolly Roger on your f****** truck Marine? Do you know even know what that stands for? Where's your f****** CO's vic?" I barely managed to raise a finger and point to the front of the convoy. He jumped off of my truck and stormed up to my Captains vehicle. Funny thing is, I never heard anything about that from my CO. The only thing he did was come up to me later that day, put his hand on my shoulder, laugh a little, and walk off.
Anyway, Mattis is the man. He's the first General that I can think of that has reached Chesty Puller status amongst the enlisted men of the Marine Corps. It doesn't surprise me at all that he is being told to pack his bags. He didn't agree with the repeal of DADT and doesn't agree with chicks being in ground combat MOS's. That's why he wasn't selected as Commandant of the Marine Corps even though everyone and their brother wanted him there. Instead, we got a weak little air winger pilot who doesn't know how to wear his body armor properly (I've seen him in a video) and stabs us in the back with this chicks in combat crap (he supports it). Mattis is the exact kind of guy we need to lead us. He's a no nonsense, tough, extemely intelligent guy who thinks 3 steps ahead of everyone on the battlefield. Unfortunately for him and especially for us, he isn't politically correct, doesn't toe the line, and has no aspirations of being anything but a Marine. That is why he doesn't fit in Comrade Obama's plans for the future.

Thrilla said:

you probably didn't have the rank or position to be around Generals...I did.
fwiw, I first met Mattis when he was a Captain...

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That's cool man. That guy's a different breed.

I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, but misspelling a thread title is too much "I don't give a ****".

Wasn't General James Mad Dog Mattis suppose to become the next Commandant of the U.S.M.C. ?
Now that POTUS,has fired the General,I wonder who will be selected to replace him for that job?

Wiggen said:

Would that be this 'firing':

CENTCOM General James Mattis To Retire From Marine Corps | The Duffel Blog

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:lamo


The Duffel Blog is a fake news source, Wiggin You just cited the military equivalent of The Onion.

MarineTpartier said:

Anyway, Mattis is the man. He's the first General that I can think of that has reached Chesty Puller status amongst the enlisted men of the Marine Corps. It doesn't surprise me at all that he is being told to pack his bags. He didn't agree with the repeal of DADT and doesn't agree with chicks being in ground combat MOS's. That's why he wasn't selected as Commandant of the Marine Corps even though everyone and their brother wanted him there. Instead, we got a weak little air winger pilot who doesn't know how to wear his body armor properly (I've seen him in a video) and stabs us in the back with this chicks in combat crap (he supports it). Mattis is the exact kind of guy we need to lead us. He's a no nonsense, tough, extemely intelligent guy who thinks 3 steps ahead of everyone on the battlefield. Unfortunately for him and especially for us, he isn't politically correct, doesn't toe the line, and has no aspirations of being anything but a Marine. That is why he doesn't fit in Comrade Obama's plans for the future.

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Quoted simply because there was nothing I could say truer than this.

cpwill said:

Quoted simply because there was nothing I could say truer than this.

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Thanks brother.

cpwill said:

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The Duffel Blog is a fake news source, Wiggin You just cited the military equivalent of The Onion.

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Yeah, I told him too lol. I notice he isn't quoting in the thread anymore either. Although, he isn't the first to do this and definitely will not be the last. I'll give the guy a pass. Duffel Blog isn't as well known as Onion.

Thrilla said:

lots of Generals running around... not too many of his sort though.

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I just can't get myself to care about some general who has been relieved of command a few months early.

Anything the right wing blogospere can spin into some evil the President has done to the "good Americans" out there. From all I have read the General retired. Semper Fi and smooth sailing in retirement is what the RWs should be saying instead of trying to construct some sort of partisan hack controversy. Oh well, I guess this is the price we pay for the 24 hour news cycle and the internet. I am sure I will start getting the emails from the right winger today.

Wiggen said:

Yeah, I'm willing to let the readers of this forum judge who's being partisan and who isn't.

The title of the thread is 'Marine Corps General Fired'. Followed by posts made by right wing posters about how terrible the President is for firing this general. It's so typical of you right wing types. A general or an admiral retires or resigns, and suddenly 'he was fired by Obama!'

This whole thread was a right wing attack on the President, using a headline in a right wing rag as the basis of the thread.

In fact the General - who you seem to consider a personal friend - retired and is quoted extensively in the link I posted, detailing why he was retiring.

Yet you don't post a single comment about the lies contained in the first article and subsequent posts. I wonder why that is?

I especially enjoyed the post by the 'Global Moderator', once again displaying his grasp of the facts.

Ring! Ring! That's the right wing bell ringing. Time for you guys to salivate!

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Wiggen said:

Would that be this 'firing':

CENTCOM General James Mattis To Retire From Marine Corps | The Duffel Blog

I could believe the New York Post and right wing blogs or I could believe 'The American military's most trusted news source' .

Hmmm.....tough decision. Especially since the Duffel Blog has numerous quotes from the General on why he is retiring and the New York Post has.......nothing from him.

You guys really are fun.

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You can't use Duffleblog as the source for anything other then a joke. It is admittadly a humor website, and nothing else.

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Wiggen said:

So is the General lying in the Duffel story or is the New York Post lying?

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Read above.

Wiggen said:

Yet there's not a single quote from him in the Duffle article about him being 'fired'. And this is an article that contains numerous quotes from him. Curious.

I think I choose to belive the General and to consider the right wing accounts of Obama firing him to be just so much bull****.

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You are aware you are taking as your source a joke website, are you not?

Thrilla said:

no, being relieved of command is not necessarily the same thing as getting fired... it can be, or it can simply be a change of command.

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That is generally known as "change of command", not "relieved".

General MacArthur was "Relieved of Command". General Pattreaus turned over his command, very different from being "relieved".

This is not a retirement, he has been relieved.

Word on the national security street is that General James Mattis is being given the bum's rush out of his job as commander of Central Command, and is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.
Why the hurry? Pentagon insiders say that he rubbed civilian officials the wrong way -- not because he went all "mad dog," which is his public image, and the view at the White House, but rather because he pushed the civilians so hard on considering the second- and third-order consequences of military action against Iran. Some of those questions apparently were uncomfortable. Like, what do you do with Iran once the nuclear issue is resolved and it remains a foe? What do you do if Iran then develops conventional capabilities that could make it hazardous for U.S. Navy ships to operate in the Persian Gulf? He kept saying, "And then what?"

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The Obama administration

Multiple sources are saying the same thing. This was not his decision, and his planned retirement was scheduled for August, with him turning over his duties starting in April (the military does not pull a commander out of a position without somebody to take their place unless they have either been relieved, or are being promoted to a higher position). But he is gone now. This is not a transfer of power, he was fired. Plain and simple.

And yes, he was considered for the post of Commandant, but he turned it down in favor of having a combat command at CentCom. Typical of a warrior, he prefered an actual combat command over that of a politician.

It seems U.S. Central Command’s top official has been pushed out of his position for doing his job too well. Could Marine Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis be the first casualty in the dismantling of the military?

Thomas Ricks, author of “Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq,” is saying that “Mattis is being pushed out of CENTCOM for asking too many questions about a possible strike on Iran,” Fox News correspondent Jennifer Griffin reported Monday evening.

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Sources say top CENTCOM general being booted for asking too many questions - BizPac Review

I am told that General Mattis was traveling and in a meeting when an aide passed him a note telling him that the Pentagon had announced his replacement as head of Central Command. It was news to him -- he hadn't received a phone call or a heads-up from anyone at the Pentagon or the White House.

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Mattis vs. Donilon: Wow, no one even called to tell him he was being replaced? (UPDATED) | The Best Defense

Lost in the inaugural hullabaloo was Tuesday’s news that President Obama has relieved Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis, the colorful and highly decorated Marine who’s been in charge of the crucial US Central Command, which oversees the various wars in the Middle East, since 2010.

Mattis is famous for his blunt style and blistering aphorisms — “be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet” was his clear-headed advice to the Marines he led during the treacherous Iraq War. He’ll retire from both CentCom and the Corps in March, several months short of his expected tour of duty.

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Exit another fighting gen. - NYPOST.com

President Barack Obama was believed to have dismissed a key military commander amid plans to reconcile with Iran.

The U.S. magazine Foreign Policy said Central Command chief Gen. James Mattis might have been forced out because of his warnings of Iran’s nuclear weapons drive.

In the magazine’s daily Situation Report, author Tom Ricks said the decision for Mattis to retire in March rather than August 2013 could be a signal to the Teheran regime as Obama plans to accelerate negotiations.

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Report: Centcom chief ousted for differences with White House on Iran, Arab Spring | World Tribune

For the record, an Obama spokesman denied that Mattis was being moved along because of the way he provided advice, but even Ricks, a reliable Obama supporter, did not find the denial very convincing. There have been too many of these reports to dismiss this concern with a "nothing to see here" rebuttal: cf., Michael Gordon's account of how the White House sought to stifle military advice it did not want to hear; Rosa Brook's insider account, augmented by extensive additional reports, of a dysfunctional decisionmaking system that muzzled advisors; or then NSA-Jim Jones' infamous "whisky, tango, foxtrot" moment in Afghanistan when he apparently told the Marines not to request additional resources lest their request anger the President.

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Has Obama succumbed to groupthink? | Shadow Government

This is part of "vetting your sources".