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Theoretically: Chinese military VS Japanese military. Who would win?

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Let's imagine the Disputed Island Chain gets out of hand and both sides declare war on eachother.

Due to a wish to preserve/obtain the disputed Islands, nuclear weapons will not be used only conventional military forces.

Who would win?

For a complete military comparison source look here:
China vs. Japan Military Match-Ups

Tatics, Personnel, guns, fighter aircraft, tanks, warships, missiles and other weapons systems

Make your comparisons now

:mrgreen:
 
Stalemate.

Japan has far to small of a military to ever take on China.

China lacks everything that would be needed to attack Japan.

Yet another pointless thread with no reason for existing, other then showing why civilians should generally not try to get involved in military matters.
 
Depends on what kind of war we're talking about. Who attacks who? Who invades whose territory? For what purpose? What are the forces each side is willing to commit to the fight? "Disputed Island Chain gets out of hand" isn't a particularly specific scenario.

The question is way too open ended. It's not as easy as asking "Packers and Patriots go head to head ten times on a neutral site, who wins?"
 
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Depends on what kind of war we're talking about. Who attacks who?

Well, that is an entirely different kettle of worms.

If Japan attacks, expect that to never happen. Their constitution forbids any kind of offensive action.

If China attacks, expect all hell to open up against them. Because the US is obligated by treaty to respond to any agressive action against Japan. So not only is China attacking Japan, they are attacking the US. And with Kadena Air Force Base (as well as several thousand Marines) on Okinawa, expect a response to be done fairly quickly.

Japan has controlled the Senkaku Islands (also known as the Daioyu Islands) since the 1300's. They controlled them until 1945 when as part of the Ryuku Chain (Okinawa), their control was handed over to the US. Then the US handed them back to Japan in 1972 (along with the Ryuku [Okinawa] Islands).

And now suddenly China claims they belong to them? Don't make me laugh. For those that do not know, they sit between Taiwan (Taipei, Formosa) and Okinawa. A long ways from the mainland of China. This is a case wher I am glad Japan is taking care of business. Now if we could only get the Russians off the islands they illegally possess.
 
No one is going to war over some empty islands.
 
Let's imagine the Disputed Island Chain gets out of hand and both sides declare war on eachother.

Due to a wish to preserve/obtain the disputed Islands, nuclear weapons will not be used only conventional military forces.

Who would win?

For a complete military comparison source look here:
China vs. Japan Military Match-Ups

Tatics, Personnel, guns, fighter aircraft, tanks, warships, missiles and other weapons systems

Make your comparisons now

:mrgreen:

The Chinese have over 1 million men in their Army - today -. They have almost 1 billion that they can call up at a whim.

What was your question again?
 
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The Chinese have over 1 million men in their Army - today -. They have almost 3 billion that they can call up at a whim.

What was your question again?

How is that possible in a nation with a population of 1.3 billion?
 
The Chinese have over 1 million men in their Army - today -. They have almost 3 billion that they can call up at a whim.

What was your question again?

Hope they can swim like dolphins if that's going to matter in a conflict with Japan
 
Like it matters . . . okay 1 billion . . . over 128 million

You do the math

You've grossly shown you're ignorant of a basic fact about China but you still want to comment on its military like you know what you're talking about. :/
 
Hope they can swim like dolphins if that's going to matter in a conflict with Japan

Hey we couldn't swim in 1945 either. But we were planning an invasion with a lot fewer people.
 
You've grossly shown you're ignorant of a basic fact about China but you still want to comment on its military like you know what you're talking about. :/

Dude, I quipped out the wrong number- take a pill. Is 1.34 billion people a lot more than 128 million?

Maybe huh.
 
You've grossly shown you're ignorant of a basic fact about China but you still want to comment on its military like you know what you're talking about. :/

Not only that, but the idea that victory in war is somehow only about pure numbers makes that a rather superficial and amateurish analysis.
 
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Hey we couldn't swim in 1945 either. But we were planning an invasion with a lot fewer people.

Ok dude you really need to educate yourself before you start making opinions you want to pass off as informed. The US Navy of WW2 was the largest most powerful Navy in the world at the time, and of course with the addition of our allies it was even stronger.

Any person with the simplest understanding of war will tell you that numbers by themselves are meaningless, you lack even that simplest understanding.
 
Ok dude you really need to educate yourself before you start making opinions you want to pass off as informed. The US Navy of WW2 was the largest most powerful Navy in the world at the time, and of course with the addition of our allies it was even stronger.

Any person with the simplest understanding of war will tell you that numbers by themselves are meaningless, you lack even that simplest understanding.

oh my god

I think you lack even the basics: after the big war machine attacks; in whatever fashion they chuuuuse, they - just walk away right?

And there were over 1 million casualites forcast with Operation Downfall. So, how many troops do you think we sent into Nagasaki and Hiroshima after our big war machine dropped those two firecrackers?

man, it's gettng late
 
Like it matters . . . okay 1 billion . . . over 128 million

You do the math

What's your point?

Japan's population during the First Sino-Japanese War was much less than that of China much like it is today. Guess who was the victor?
 
What's your point?

Japan's population during the First Sino-Japanese War was much less than that of China much like it is today. Guess who was the victor?

And just how rural do you think China was in those days?
 
Technically Japan abandoned having a military after WWII and we have a defense pact with Japan. So war with Japan should be also then war with the USA. However, I doubt Obama would honor the treaty agreement.
 
I imagine that the biggest issue for Japan would be that it has a relatively weak defense in depth as far as its airfields are concerned. I would be most worried, if I was Japan, about utilizing its advantage in surface to surface missile batteries and stockpiles to bombard my airbases while keeping an aerial reserve in the Chinese interior, and along the naval bases in the south by Guangzhou. That being said despite the stark quantitative superiority of the PLAAF, the JASDF is still rather large and has to my knowledge a well integrated (both technologically and tactically) combat force with some high quality aircraft. When wedded to a very proficient and relatively large surface fleet, I think they would put up a much tougher fight than China would expect and you might see a situation where China exerts itself to military exhaustion in terms of combat attrition without actually maintaining dominance over and around the Senkaku's. Especially since with Japan in current possession of it, there is the capability to rapidly deploy land based ASCM batteries.
 
The Chinese have over 1 million men in their Army - today -. They have almost 1 billion that they can call up at a whim.

What was your question again?

A war between China and Japan would have little to nothing to do with ground forces. It would be naval and aerial, with limited marine engagements.
 
Stalemate.


Yet another pointless thread with no reason for existing, other then showing why civilians should generally not try to get involved in military matters.

Awww Grinch, this is not a super serious thread

In anycase time is infinite, life is pointless, so get used to it and have some fun :)
 
Hey we couldn't swim in 1945 either. But we were planning an invasion with a lot fewer people.

But we spent years prior to that perfecting and equiping out Amphibious Warfare forces. We had hundreds of Amphibious Warfare ships either off the shores of Okinawa, or enroute there for the Invasion of Japan when the surrender came.

To give an idea, we had 117 Haskell class ships, 32 Gilliam class ships, 116 Attack Transports of various classes, 34 Bayfield class, 140 High Speed Transports, and so on and so on and so on. The number of ships to be involved is simply staggering.

And China has absolutley nothing even remotely like that. They lack the amphibious capability to even attack Taiwan.

Do some research, do not just make things up.

Now show us a list of a similar number of Chinese Amphibious Warfare ships.
 
oh my god

I think you lack even the basics: after the big war machine attacks; in whatever fashion they chuuuuse, they - just walk away right?

And there were over 1 million casualites forcast with Operation Downfall. So, how many troops do you think we sent into Nagasaki and Hiroshima after our big war machine dropped those two firecrackers?

man, it's gettng late

Actually that is not hard to find at all:

http://www.dtra.mil/documents/ntpr/factsheets/Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki_Occupation_Forces.pdf

Once again, this is called "research" my friend. With it you can find some absolutely amazing things, and not just make them up.

Hiroshima was occupied by 1 Infantry Regiment, which is only a few thousand soldiers. The total number to have occupied it is around 40,000, from the beginning to the end of the occupation. This is not at any one time, but over years.

In Nagasaki, the numbers are a bit different for other reasons. This was the main port which US servicemen came to and from Japan, including all repatriated POWs. Here it is estimated that the numbers are in the hundreds of thousands.

But either way, much less then the millions that would have been involved in an invasion.
 
Awww Grinch, this is not a super serious thread

In anycase time is infinite, life is pointless, so get used to it and have some fun :)

The problem here is that you have some professionals that follow these threads, and take them very seriously.

And as you can obviously see you have others who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about trying to spread lies and disinformation.

If it was not intended to be serious, maybe it should have been put in the humor section. :mrgreen:
 
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