Thread: Predictions of future warfare

Originally Posted by beerftw

i can built an emp gun for less than 20 dollars,i can build one that can jam up to 100 feet if idaisychain them and build shielded projection cones.

google a herf gun,if rednecks have mastered emp guns im sure the us military can build some awesome one.

oh and the united states military and most modern militaries already use emp shielding for their vehicles.

And I have an idea for an energy delivery device, that can deliver a quick pulse with lots of watts, that's practically free and can be found lying everywhere. That's actually the most expensive part of directed EMP weapons, it's the wattage requirements.

Think of what types of device you would need to deliver a thousand or million watts in a tenth of a second. Sure you can string a million batteries together, or a thousand high capacity capacitors together, but I got a much simpler and cheaper idea.

That "herf gun" don't sound like it's much of a directed energy weapon if it dissipates further at 100 feet.

Our military has EMP protected storage areas and bunkers from nuclear EMP. The storage areas are, but the toys aren't, encased in a faraday cage, too much weight. And even if it were...

http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/s...030805_pry.pdf

Russian and Chinese military scientists in open source writings describe the basic principles of nuclear
weapons designed specifically to generate an enhanced-EMP effect, that they term “Super-EMP”
weapons. “Super-EMP” weapons, according to these foreign open source writings, can destroy even
the best protected U.S. military and civilian electronic systems.

Super Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons - Futurescience.com

When most people talk about super-EMP weapons, though, they are generally talking about nuclear weapons that can generate field strengths of much more than 50,000 volts per meter.

A Faraday cage on equipment has to be grounded to something, and that's the circuitry, so you put enough voltage on that it will even damage what's inside.

By default anything with an antenna, be it a radio or GPS receiver, cannot be shielded by a Faraday cage. Put it inside and it no longer receives, duh.

If you can focus an EMP, with a directed energy weapon, you can easily get to 50,000 volts per meter. A nuclear blast simply radiates and dissipates in all directions.

If you were to wrap up a laptop with tinfoil, and then tie the tinfoil up in metal wire, double faraday cage, and throw it at a high voltage power line, it will still fry everything inside.

Originally Posted by Matt Foley

Our military has EMP protected storage areas and bunkers from nuclear EMP. The storage areas are, but the toys aren't, encased in a faraday cage, too much weight. And even if it were...

http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/s...030805_pry.pdf



Super Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons - Futurescience.com



A Faraday cage on equipment has to be grounded to something, and that's the circuitry, so you put enough voltage on that it will even damage what's inside.

By default anything with an antenna, be it a radio or GPS receiver, cannot be shielded by a Faraday cage. Put it inside and it no longer receives, duh.

If you can focus an EMP, with a directed energy weapon, you can easily get to 50,000 volts per meter. A nuclear blast simply radiates and dissipates in all directions.

If you were to wrap up a laptop with tinfoil, and then tie the tinfoil up in metal wire, double faraday cage, and throw it at a high voltage power line, it will still fry everything inside.

There are devices and methods currently in use that are very effective against EMP. These include a sort of breaker that is specifically designed to cut out an EMP coming through a power line, faster than any normal breaker... some 90 degree angle line tricks and shielded cables... and some other things I've heard about that I probably shouldn't mention on a public forum.

I wouldn't be surprised if EMP and counter-EMP become part of the arms race in the near future. Still, I think it is very likely that the next 20-25 years will see FAR more extensive use of drones, ground-based combat robots, and armored exoskeletons based on exo's currently under development. If small-scale EMP becomes a factor in combat, the devices in question will be "EMP hardened" for resistance to same.

Originally Posted by katiegrrl0

Maybe it would be good instead of predicting mayhem and violence people would do better to predict peace. It seems a tad more positive outlook. Place a flower down the barrel of a gun.

Only a fool predicts peace. It is better to hope for it. We are always prepared for peace, but the places that fall are the ones not prepared for war.

Originally Posted by Goshin

There are devices and methods currently in use that are very effective against EMP. These include a sort of breaker that is specifically designed to cut out an EMP coming through a power line, faster than any normal breaker... some 90 degree angle line tricks and shielded cables... and some other things I've heard about that I probably shouldn't mention on a public forum.

I wouldn't be surprised if EMP and counter-EMP become part of the arms race in the near future. Still, I think it is very likely that the next 20-25 years will see FAR more extensive use of drones, ground-based combat robots, and armored exoskeletons based on exo's currently under development. If small-scale EMP becomes a factor in combat, the devices in question will be "EMP hardened" for resistance to same.

If you are worried about "posting things you shouldn't" you've already said to much. OPSEC!

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Originally Posted by Matt Foley

Our military has EMP protected storage areas and bunkers from nuclear EMP. The storage areas are, but the toys aren't, encased in a faraday cage, too much weight. And even if it were...

http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/s...030805_pry.pdf



Super Electromagnetic Pulse Weapons - Futurescience.com



A Faraday cage on equipment has to be grounded to something, and that's the circuitry, so you put enough voltage on that it will even damage what's inside.

By default anything with an antenna, be it a radio or GPS receiver, cannot be shielded by a Faraday cage. Put it inside and it no longer receives, duh.

If you can focus an EMP, with a directed energy weapon, you can easily get to 50,000 volts per meter. A nuclear blast simply radiates and dissipates in all directions.

If you were to wrap up a laptop with tinfoil, and then tie the tinfoil up in metal wire, double faraday cage, and throw it at a high voltage power line, it will still fry everything inside.

...do you know what a faraday cage actually is? You don't need to ground a faraday cage. Faraday cages have no theoretical maximum voltage limit. Faraday cages do not need to be built out of a particularly heavy metal. And you wouldn't even need a faraday cage to protect a laptop from a high power voltage line - without a complete circuit, the laptop would be about as damaged as the birds landing on the line to look at it. About the biggest weakness of a faraday cage is that it could get hot if you reversed the direction of the field it was annulling frequently enough, and with a field with a large enough amplitude, but that's a problem easily solved, given the kind of heat a jet plane has to deal with anyway. If all you want to do is heat something up, you may as well use a laser.

It's true that a shielded plane would also be noncommunicative - but that's an easy problem to solve, too - isolate your comms equipment and place it outside the cage. Sure, you could then take out the coms - but that's not a huge success. And again - if you're going to spend that much effort on computer tracking etc for an EM weapon, keep it simple and make it a laser!

Originally Posted by xpiher

If you are worried about "posting things you shouldn't" you've already said to much. OPSEC!

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Prolly right. Imma shuttup now.

Computer controlled railguns propelled by explosives. Already exist.

There are also projects to fire nuclear tipped projectiles from military satellites to earth and implode a couple square miles if need be.

Border defense military sound cannons to freak out any living thing. Or military microwaves to cook them alive when they try to cross.

All sorts of awful things we don't employ because we don't live in conditions of total war.

Originally Posted by iangb

...do you know what a faraday cage actually is? You don't need to ground a faraday cage. Faraday cages have no theoretical maximum voltage limit. Faraday cages do not need to be built out of a particularly heavy metal. And you wouldn't even need a faraday cage to protect a laptop from a high power voltage line - without a complete circuit, the laptop would be about as damaged as the birds landing on the line to look at it. About the biggest weakness of a faraday cage is that it could get hot if you reversed the direction of the field it was annulling frequently enough, and with a field with a large enough amplitude, but that's a problem easily solved, given the kind of heat a jet plane has to deal with anyway. If all you want to do is heat something up, you may as well use a laser.

It's true that a shielded plane would also be noncommunicative - but that's an easy problem to solve, too - isolate your comms equipment and place it outside the cage. Sure, you could then take out the coms - but that's not a huge success. And again - if you're going to spend that much effort on computer tracking etc for an EM weapon, keep it simple and make it a laser!

A plane without a radio is useless, especially for jets.

A metal skin on a plane that is not grounded, that oughta take up allot of weight insulating the outer skin from everything else.

At longer wavelengths, longer than faraday cage dimensions, the faraday cage doesn't work or effectiveness drops off.

meh, a reflector would have to be huge with low frequencies; can't focus.