Thread: Predictions of future warfare

Originally Posted by Oozlefinch

Want to see a redacted version of my DD-214s? I have my dress uniform hanging in the closet right now, want me to take a picture of it? Or you can look on my FaceBook, and see that 90% of my friends are still actively serving.

Just because you have no qualifications, do not assume that nobody else does.

"I show you mine, and you show me yours," awe and I didn't show you mine, I'm such a bad guy.

Originally Posted by Matt Foley

"I show you mine, and you show me yours," awe and I didn't show you mine, I'm such a bad guy.

I do not care about seeing yours, because I know you do not have one. Funny however that you make claims that you can't even seem to back up with what should be your own knowledge. However you question others about their qualifications constantly. And when we offer to "put up or shut up", you just make more snide remarks.

You are very rapidly becomming just another troll. And a foolish one at that.

Originally Posted by Oozlefinch

I do not care about seeing yours, because I know you do not have one. Funny however that you make claims that you can't even seem to back up with what should be your own knowledge. However you question others about their qualifications constantly. And when we offer to "put up or shut up", you just make more snide remarks.

You are very rapidly becomming just another troll. And a foolish one at that.

nanana, it's the internet qualifications again.

Originally Posted by Matt Foley

nanana, it's the internet qualifications again.

You don't even have Internet qualifications to claim, kid

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

You don't even have Internet qualifications to claim, kid

hes a troll,just ignore him and he will wither and die.he plants stupidy and expects people to get offended by it,simply dont play his game and he will just troll other threads.

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

You don't even have Internet qualifications to claim, kid

Cause internet qualifications mean nothing.

Originally Posted by beerftw

i can built an emp gun for less than 20 dollars,i can build one that can jam up to 100 feet if idaisychain them and build shielded projection cones.

google a herf gun,if rednecks have mastered emp guns im sure the us military can build some awesome one.

oh and the united states military and most modern militaries already use emp shielding for their vehicles.

Exactly! The F-18 was designed with NBC in mind. Not sure about the F-16 since it was also designed for export, so it's base model may not have NBC built in. All military aircraft from there up are. (Pretty sure but not positive about the F-14/F-15 since the switch was about that time. It seems like it was designed into them but may have been added as an upgrade.) All critical military electronics everywhere else have been for decades, too, and many non-critical systems are.

I can't believe some people don't know this - it was a hot topic when I was young.

Originally Posted by MoSurveyor

Exactly! The F-18 was designed with NBC in mind. Not sure about the F-16 since it was also designed for export, so it's base model may not have NBC built in. All military aircraft from there up are. (Pretty sure but not positive about the F-14/F-15 since the switch was about that time. It seems like it was designed into them but may have been added as an upgrade.) All critical military electronics everywhere else have been for decades, too, and many non-critical systems are.

I can't believe some people don't know this - it was a hot topic when I was young.

When you were young they were using vacuum tubes which aren't as touchy to electric pulses as solid state is. That's just one step up from a babbet engine which can survive an EMP just fine without a shield.

Originally Posted by MoSurveyor

Exactly! The F-18 was designed with NBC in mind. Not sure about the F-16 since it was also designed for export, so it's base model may not have NBC built in. All military aircraft from there up are. (Pretty sure but not positive about the F-14/F-15 since the switch was about that time. It seems like it was designed into them but may have been added as an upgrade.) All critical military electronics everywhere else have been for decades, too, and many non-critical systems are.

I can't believe some people don't know this - it was a hot topic when I was young.

They were talking about it when I was in school also. Mr. Foley seems to think that this is something new and amazing that he has thought up. But in reality, the military has been considering it since at least 1962 with the Starfish Prime test and similar soviet tests the same year. That is when both superpowers started to do serious research into the use of EMP as a weapon.

And I also know that the good old PRC-77 was a perfect example of a piece of military equipment designed specifically to survive EMP in a nuclear battlefield.

And come on, some common sense here. We have been air dropping atomic and nuclear weapons since 1945. If EMP was really such a major consideration, then we would have likely knocked out own aircraft out of the sky decades ago. A little common sense here. If EMP is such a strong destructive force, then why have none of our aircraft dropping nuclear weapons fallen victim to it?

We also have some large scale NNEMP simulators, such as the ATLAS-1 and EMPRESS test facilities. These have been used for decades to test miitary equipment (all the way up to bombers, ships, and even "Kneecap" (NEACP) to ensure they would perform even after it was struck with EMP.

We have encouraged Mr. Foley to do some research into such things, but he simply refuses. Even though he claims to work for a major defense contractor for the US Military, I guess he assumes they are all very stupid.

Originally Posted by Matt Foley

When you were young they were using vacuum tubes which aren't as touchy to electric pulses as solid state is. That's just one step up from a babbet engine which can survive an EMP just fine without a shield.

I do not know how old MoSurveyor is, but even in the 1960's they knew how to shield solid state electronics against EMP. Look up the history of the PRC-77 for an example of this.

What am I thinking, suggesting you should research something? I must be loosing my mind here.

One thing I am always doing is research. And often times, I will pick a subject at random at Wikipedia, find an item of interest in that entry, and follow it to another one. This can be quite entertaining for me, and teach me things I had never known before. And I found something interesting in this that relates directly to this topic.

I thought I would wander around some of my own background, so was reading the Computer History entry. And in this, I (re)discovered the first mainframe I programmed for, the good old IBM System 360. This was a multi-decade workhorse, and I still saw some in use at Hughes as late as 1998. And in reliving the past of this, I saw a reference I did not know about. And that is the IBM System/4 Pi:

Special radiation-hardened and otherwise somewhat modified S/360s, in the form of the System/4 Pi avionics computer, are used in several fighter and bomber jet aircraft. In the complete 32-bit AP-101 version, 4 Pi machines are used as the replicated computing nodes of the fault-tolerant Space Shuttle computer system (in five nodes). The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration operated the IBM 9020, a special cluster of modified System/360s for air traffic control, from 1970 until the 1990s. (Some 9020 software is apparently still used via emulation on newer hardware.)

These were specially made IBM mainframe computers, which were designed originally for use in bombers and fighters. But were also adapted to be used in Navy ships, and were Radiation and EMP hardened. They were also selected for use in the Skylab and the Space Shuttle for the same reason (not for EMP protection, but because they were shielded from cosmic rays and radiation leaking from the Van Allen Belt.

So this is yet more proof that this problem has been known and protected against for decades.