Thread: Is cutting education a good idea???

Originally Posted by sookster

Holy crap.

I'm not saying drop the system and don't make another one.

It seems that is what you are saying in your following sentence ~

And even still, children not going through the current system would be better off than going through it.

Perhaps you should explain yourself more clearly to avoid confusion. What are you proposing to replace public education, besides video games and the public library???

A system where the child is in control of what he or she learns, not some old administrators that just want to make money. A system where children are grouped together by what they have in common in regards to ideology, and different interests, not that of their physical age.

A system where a child can pick what settings to learn in. Whether or not they feel like playing a game with other kids, reading on their own, learning from more knowledgeable people personally, or that of surfing the internet. A system where the child is in control, not the opposite. Yes, they will make mistakes, and as a result they will reap the consequences of their actions. A system where the main source of learning would be the institution's library. A system where adolescents would be required to go to school later in the day, rather than being forced to go to school at 7 in the morning for zero hour classes, even though developmentally it is known they require more sleep.

A system that makes sense, unlike the current piece of crap system that we have now.

Originally Posted by sookster

A system where the child is in control of what he or she learns, not some old administrators that just want to make money. A system where children are grouped together by what they have in common in regards to ideology, and different interests, not that of their physical age.

A system where a child can pick what settings to learn in. Whether or not they feel like playing a game with other kids, reading on their own, learning from more knowledgeable people personally, or that of surfing the internet. A system where the child is in control, not the opposite. Yes, they will make mistakes, and as a result they will reap the consequences of their actions. A system where the main source of learning would be the institution's library. A system where adolescents would be required to go to school later in the day, rather than being forced to go to school at 7 in the morning for zero hour classes, even though developmentally it is known they require more sleep.

A system that makes sense, unlike the current piece of crap system that we have now.

What if they do not choose to learn about reading writing and arithmetic? How would future generations compete in the world who have learned those things? Where has such a system been used successfully? Wouldn't it be a good idea to develop a system with a known success rate before cutting the existing system? Have you ever heard the expression, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water?

Why do you think children will refuse to learn those things? What is your evidence that whenever a child were to see "Arithmetic" he or she would automatically run away? Why do you think playing has no influence on the outcome of children? Why do you insist to side with thinking that was developed in the 19th century?

Originally Posted by sookster

Why do you think children will refuse to learn those things? What is your evidence that whenever a child were to see "Arithmetic" he or she would automatically run away? Why do you think playing has no influence on the outcome of children? Why do you insist to side with thinking that was developed in the 19th century?

When you have a model of your utopian system to educate future generations, please let me know and I will take a look at it.

The idea to educate all children in the US, regardless of race or disability is what was developed in the 19th century. I find no fault with that ideal.

I told you what my system would be based around. Suddenly it is utopian?

What you said was inaccurate. We didn't care about black kids back in the day, because if they were to learn to read and write they might stop working for us at no cost. Second, that single statement might be a goal of the system we are debating towards, but that doesn't mean it goes about it in an affective manner.

It also seems you refused to answer my questions. Most of my "model" was presented. I'm not going to give you details of my system to the point of giving you financial information, I have much better things to do.

Originally Posted by Catawba

I corrected your statement above:

Fifty years ago most white kids without disabilities went to school in very modest one story brick buildings with very few amenities... and they graduated High School with more functional and useable knowledge for that time period than 90% of modern grads of H.S.

Btw, I corrected your spelling of knowledge in my re-write. When did you go to school?

Have you been sending in more of your money to these teachers? If not, you shouldn't be talking cause you're the one bitching about this problem.

Originally Posted by sookster

Holy crap.

I'm not saying drop the system and don't make another one. And even still, children not going through the current system would be better off than going through it. Individualism has nothing to do with refuting the points that I presented.

You are showing an inability to even comprehend what I am saying. More evidence still of the current failing system.

I beg to differ individualism has everything to do with education.

"Children not going through the current sysyem would be better off than going through the current sytem"
Your words are they not?

Basicly you are saying that all of children that are taught in todays current system none have learned knowledge or none have came from the system with something, or it is as you say they would have been better off not going through the current sytem

If indeed children are better off not going through the current system what sytem would you have them go to?

As for the current education sytem do not worry it is changing; more budget cuts is coming to education as well as salary cuts for teachers.
This is how American politics helps the future generations of America.

Originally Posted by American

Have you been sending in more of your money to these teachers? If not, you shouldn't be talking cause you're the one bitching about this problem.

Probably not most of his money probably went towards the bailouts and tax cuts , like many other taxpayers.

Want to here some bitching try Wisconsin education system or a good school called Oakridge in Michican , but you can't check Oakridge because it's not there anymore cause the governor of Michigan needs state tax money to build a bridge that nobody wants , nobody needs and will be paid for by te state of Michigan.
While the kids of Oakridge are bussed across town to a bigger but not better school.

In light of the fact The Sheeple will always loathe their public education system and complain about it no matter how much money they throw at it, yes -- education should be cut, and cut to the bone. Perhaps it should even be abolished, in its present form. Completely privatize education, and let the deadbeats among us go uneducated. To hell with them anyway.