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Aldermen want Trump stripped of his honorary Chicago plaza

Kal'Stang said:
Only in your mind. Which means all that you've done here, and proved with your statement here, is provide a strawman argument.
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I think you are confused on what a strawman argument is.

Havent you been told this before?

Its a legitimate argument, because the posters are saying that the aldermen are wasting time addressing the Trump plaza instead of fighting crime. I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that the issue of inner city crime is not suffering because of lack of aldermanic attention. Therefore there is no strawman, I'm accurately portraying the abject stupidity of their argument. You havent quite made that argument (although I know you want to!) but others certainly have.
 
On the home page the thread title reads "Aldermen want Trump Stripped" and all I could think was the Trumpeteers are going way too far.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Pretty sure they're not confused by that. Pretty sure they're just wondering why those legislative bodies are wasting time and tax payer money on dealing with something so stupid and trivial instead of spending their time wisely and tax payer money on things that actually need to be addressed. Such as crime and schooling.

Plus I'm pretty sure that there isn't a human being in the entire world that can speak about two completely different subjects at exactly the same time anyways. What would come out of their mouths wouldn't sound anything like English or any known language in the entire world. So no, the legislative bodies, while discussing this are not working on more than one thing at a time. They are just discussing this issue. Instead of the issues that need to actually be addressed. Haven't you ever been to a council meeting? They talk about one subject for an allotted amount of time and then move on to another subject at the end of that allotted time for the duration of its allotted time. They do not talk about two subjects during the same allotted amount of time.
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Brendan Reilly is an ambitious small time pol who's looking for opportunities to become known for career advancement.
As a Chicago Alderman he has a history of playing chess with Chicago properties and he's a big Rahm Emanuel guy so his corruption is inbred.
This Trump thing is merely one safe way to try to get his name in the headlines and perhaps build some support for his political career.
On a scale of importance to Chicago it's a .05 on a scale of 1 to 10.
 
Threegoofs said:
I think you are confused on what a strawman argument is.

Havent you been told this before?

Its a legitimate argument, because the posters are saying that the aldermen are wasting time addressing the Trump plaza instead of fighting crime. I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that the issue of inner city crime is not suffering because of lack of aldermanic attention. Therefore there is no strawman, I'm accurately portraying the abject stupidity of their argument. You havent quite made that argument (although I know you want to!) but others certainly have.
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Strawman

The example that they give of a strawman:

Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate:

A: We should relax the laws on beer.
B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.
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You are saying that people in this thread are stating that the committee cannot address Trumps sign. No one in this thread has stated such.

A: Aldermen should not be wasting time on getting rid of a sign since their time is better spent addressing crime and the poor state of the schools.
B: Such a foolish argument! Of COURSE the aldermen can address getting rid of the Trump sign! Saying they can't means you don't know how committee's work!

So no, its not a legitimate argument. It's a strawman argument. You're asserting something is said when its not being said. Pretty much the very definition of a strawman argument.

Apparently no one has told you what a strawman is. Hope I've been of service.
 
Roadvirus said:
Nearly 600 murder victims this year so far.....but this is considered a priority? No wonder the city is in the ****!
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Common Sense 1 said:
Just typical for Democratic leadership in a city that is rife with violence, failing schools and a true divide between rich and poor.
The poor little snowflakes are worried about a sign with Trump's name on it.


Yea lets get that nasty street sign down! Right now!
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Kal'Stang said:
You are saying that people in this thread are stating that the committee cannot address Trumps sign. No one in this thread has stated such.

A: Aldermen should not be wasting time on getting rid of a sign since their time is better spent addressing crime and the poor state of the schools.
B: Such a foolish argument! Of COURSE the aldermen can address getting rid of the Trump sign! Saying they can't means you don't know how committee's work!

So no, its not a legitimate argument. It's a strawman argument. You're asserting something is said when its not being said. Pretty much the very definition of a strawman argument.

Apparently no one has told you what a strawman is. Hope I've been of service.
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Two people have basically stated that they should be directing their time on crime or other things rather than this issue. In other words, pretty much exactly what you said 'no one' said.

Its no strawman, its basically the crux of the argument.
 
Chomsky said:
Dayem, I love this city! :thumbs:
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WHy do you suppose he had it named after him in the first place? I wonder if this is anything like say Jessie Jackson and numerous other leaders in the black community giving him awards and singin his praises for decades of support for the black community only to have them disavow him because of an election.

I thought this line was rather comical...
"comparing our great city to a decimated, war-torn country,"

As if its not.
 
Threegoofs said:
Two people have basically stated that they should be directing their time on crime or other things rather than this issue. In other words, pretty much exactly what you said 'no one' said.

Its no strawman, its basically the crux of the argument.
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Both examples you gave were of people saying that they should be spending their time on what they consider more important items. Neither one stated that they cannot spend their time on Trumps sign. They just think that its stupid that they do. So no, its not the crux of anyone's argument. Except yours. In the form of a strawman.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Both examples you gave were of people saying that they should be spending their time on what they consider more important items. Neither one stated that they cannot spend their time on Trumps sign. They just think that its stupid that they do. So no, its not the crux of anyone's argument. Except yours. In the form of a strawman.
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I did my best to explain. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.
 
Threegoofs said:
I have a question for you. Do you ever actually think about an answer before you type it?

Chicago, believe it or not, is safer than Indy

I suspect your conservative masters do your thinking for you, but if you think for yourself and actually make the connections between complex issues and logic is quite healthy. Try it and see.
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Well I really cant blame that post on "conservative masters" mainly since I don't have any. That post is the direct result of a lack of research on my part. So I stand corrected on the Indianapolis v Chicago crime stats.
 
Threegoofs said:
I did my best to explain. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.
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In other words you're just doubling down. :shrug: Ok, just know that if you continue to use the strawman I'll continue to point it out.
 
Kal'Stang said:
In other words you're just doubling down. :shrug: Ok, just know that if you continue to use the strawman I'll continue to point it out.
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I don't doubt that, with your definition, you'll find strawmen in every single argument on this site.
 
Threegoofs said:
I don't doubt that, with your definition, you'll find strawmen in every single argument on this site.
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Used the same definition that is shown on wiki. :shrug: Can't help it if you can't understand what a strawman is. I tried to help you understand it. That's good enough for me.

Now, I'm going to stop replying to you unless you continue your strawman. I think we've derailed this thread enough. Don't you?
 
Democrat politicians always do what's best for the people. You know, like banning WalMart from Chicago. Let's face it, people having jobs is not in the best interest of the Democrat Party.
 
joG said:
But some good old fashioned hypocrisy plays well and deflects from bad things for the minute.
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Like 1000 more people died this year than by this same time last year.
 
Its funny how he was so loved and honored....... until he ran a political race as a Republican.
 
Threegoofs said:
You cant really have good gun control laws when someone can walk across the street over the Indiana border and guy a duffel bag full of weapons to sell in Englewood later that afternoon.
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Sounds like a Chicago problem.
 
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