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    The 1967 War

    (Mods please move this to 'history' if you feel it appropriate.
    It's timely to today's debates but some may feel it's more historical in nature.)

    Recent posting referring to the 1967 borders, and the usual dubious and disjointed 'zionist quotes' posted by Shanners have made a short trip back necessary.
    The internet is filled with 'zionist quotes' "....tha ...look li...this...."
    Some are outright frauds, others inverted or altered by the likes of early Benny Morris work- others just leaving portions which reverse meanings.
    Many are real quotes but disjointed post/pre-war or war-room speculation.

    Better and more honest in determining what happened is a coherent chronology, along with some leaders quotes.
    May 14, 1967: Egypt's President Gamal Nasser demands the withdrawal of United Nations force--established in 1957 as an international "guarantee" of safety for Israel--from the Sinai peninsula.
    The UN meekly obeys; the United States and Britain fail to rouse the Security Council to take action.

    (mbig note: Strange move for someone playing defense and not itself planning attack)


    May 15: Three Egyptian army divisions and 600 tanks roll into the Sinai. World community does nothing.

    May 17: Cairo Radio's Voice of the Arabs: "All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel."

    May 18: Voice of the Arabs announces: "As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."


    May 18: Nasser announces blockade of Straits of Tiran in the Red Sea, severing Israel's southern maritime link to the outside world. Israel considers the closure an act of war.

    (US President Lyndon Johnson later says: "If a single act of folly was more Responsible for this explosion than any other it was the arbitrary and Dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed.")


    May 20: Syria's defence minister (ex-president) Hafez el-Assad says: "Our forces are now ready not only to repulse the aggression but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united ..."

    May 27: Nasser: "Our basic objection will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

    May 30: Nasser : "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel."

    May 30: Jordan's King Hussein signs a five-year mutual defence pact with Egypt and the two set up a joint command, making clear its stance in any future conflict.

    My 31: Egyptian newspaper Al Akhbar reports: "Under terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, co-ordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two ..."

    May 31: Iraqi President Rahman Aref announces: "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."

    June 4: Iraq joins Nasser's military alliance against Israel.

    June 5: Six Day War begins: Israeli Airforce attacks airfields in Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq.
    Excerpted from the more complete:
    The Six-Day War, The 6-Day War, 1967 - The Peace FAQ
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Of course sources from the other side are appropriate; especially ones quoted fairly and with links/context to their own websites.

    It seems even King Hussein and the Official Jordanian website agree with Prez LBJ that Nasser brought this on:

    "....By the spring of 1967, the situation had become extremely intense. On May 16, Nasser SHOCKED the World by asking the United Nations to withdraw its forces from Sinai.
    To the Surprise of many, his request was Honored two days later.
    Moreover, the Egyptian president Closed the Straits of Tiran on May 22.

    Sensing that War was Now Likely
    , King Hussein aligned Jordan firmly with Egypt, suggesting an Egyptian-Jordanian Mutual Defense Treaty. Nasser immediately accepted the idea, and the treaty was signed on May 30. The treaty stipulated that Jordan’s forces were to be placed under the command of Egyptian General Abdul Moneim Riad. Iraq also signed the pact..."

    Jordan - History - The Disaster of 1967


    That's KingHussein.Gov.Jo/his_periods3.html calling Nasser's actions "Shocking" and Bellicose ("moreover, closing the Straits") and it was He who made War inevitable.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    The 1967 war is a textbook example of a legitimate preemptive war in which a sovereign state responded when confronted with an imminent and credible threat to its existence and after it had already suffered aggression (from the illegal closure of the Strait of Tiran's international waters).

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    Re: The 1967 War

    It's also quite common to hear the allegation Israel started the war with aggression and territory in mind.
    Anything but.

    The Six Day War: Forty Years On - honest reporting
    [......]
    Jordan Initiates War With Israel: Israel Captures Jerusalem and the West Bank

    Despite the many terrorist attacks that had emanated from the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, Israel specifically told King Hussein that Jordan would not be attacked unless Jordan chose to enter the war. As the fighting raged, Prime Minister Levy Eshkol sent the following message to King Hussein of Jordan:
    "We are engaged in defensive fighting on the Egyptian sector, and we shall not engage ourselves in any action against Jordan, unless Jordan attacks us. Should Jordan attack Israel, we shall go against her with all our might."
    However, upon receiving information (later proving false) that Israel was being defeated, King Hussein ordered that Israel be attacked. On June 5:
    [.......]
    Only after coming under fire and sustaining casualties did the Israeli military respond, resulting in the re-unification of Jerusalem and control of the entire West Bank. The record is clear, this acquisition of land was the direct result of Jordanian, not Israeli military aggression."

    One week later, having successfully defended herself, Israel was in control of the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights.'.."
    And in fact, Israel didn't even know what to do with said won territories and offered them Back in exchange for mere recognition!
    The Arabs, at the Khartoum conference in August of that year, Refused. The famous 'Three nos'.
    Only thus "Occupation." And in the case above, of the Jordan-annexed West Bank. There was No 'Palestine.'
    Last edited by mbig; 05-27-11 at 04:58 PM.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    The 6 day war started by Israel.People can try and twist it all they want but the fact is that they attacked first therefore starting the war and they are still occupying land illegally from that war according to all the international community.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by Che View Post
    The 6 day war started by Israel.People can try and twist it all they want but the fact is that they attacked first therefore starting the war and they are still occupying land illegally from that war according to all the international community.
    Is this Intentionally Obtuse, or just emptily combative?

    No one is denying Israel started the pre-emptive war- nor Ever has.

    The question being answered is Why and the justification for it.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post

    The question being answered is Why and the justification for it.
    There is no justification for it, it is illegal under international law.

    Article 2, Section 4 of the U.N. Charter is generally considered to be 'jus cogens' (literally: "compelling law", in practice: "higher international law"), and prohibits all U.N. members from exercising "the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state"

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    Re: The 1967 War

    Egypt's act of closing the Straits of Tiran was in response to Israeli preparations for a major attack on Syria, of which some in the Israeli government said should seek the removal of the government and occupation of Damascus. If you look carefully at the rhetoric often cited from Nasser and Assad, they were threatening massive retaliation to an offensive operation, not threatening to initiate one themselves. They foresaw Israel initiating a war and it is for that reason these countries took all the actions that Israel knowingly distorted as being preparation for imminent war.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Egypt's act of closing the Straits of Tiran was in response to Israeli preparations for a major attack on Syria, of which some in the Israeli government said should seek the removal of the government and occupation of Damascus. If you look carefully at the rhetoric often cited from Nasser and Assad, they were threatening massive retaliation to an offensive operation, not threatening to initiate one themselves. They foresaw Israel initiating a war and it is for that reason these countries took all the actions that Israel knowingly distorted as being preparation for imminent war.
    This is true but funny how it never ever gets in the Israeli version of events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Egypt's act of closing the Straits of Tiran was in response to Israeli preparations for a major attack on Syria, of which some in the Israeli government said should seek the removal of the government and occupation of Damascus. If you look carefully at the rhetoric often cited from Nasser and Assad, they were threatening massive retaliation to an offensive operation, not threatening to initiate one themselves. They foresaw Israel initiating a war and it is for that reason these countries took all the actions that Israel knowingly distorted as being preparation for imminent war.
    Quote Originally Posted by Che View Post
    This is true but funny how it never ever gets in the Israeli version of events.
    Maybe because it's a LIE/Not true. Funny too Che responds/bluffs AS IF he knew the falsehood.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

    In May 1967, Nasser received false reports from the Soviet Union that Israel was massing on the Syrian border.[21] Nasser began massing his troops in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (May 16), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (May 19) and took up UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[22][23] Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war.[24][25]
    Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23. On May 30, Jordan and Egypt signed a defense pact. The following day, at Jordan's invitation, the Iraqi army began deploying troops and armored units in Jordan.[26] They were later reinforced by an Egyptian contingent. On June 1, Israel formed a National Unity Government by widening its cabinet, and on June 4 the decision was made to go to war. The next morning, Israel launched Operation Focus, a large-scale surprise air strike that was the opening of the Six-Day War.
    I find I can always go to wiki and find where DoL got his info--- and twisted it. Thus no link.
    Ironically for Che, that footnote [21] from Benny Morr!s/Ian Black
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