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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by Mika-El View Post
    Mouhamad Fawzi, the Egyptian chief of staff, pursuant to Syrian complaints about the concentration of Israeli forces on the border with Syrua, went to Damascus. He then returned to Nasser and reported Fawzi reported directly to Nasser informing him that there was no build up by Israel.

    Because of this fact which is now public domain because Fawzi's report was released to the public it clearly shows Nasser knew Israel was not planning to attack Israel and this farse of trying to revise history to suggest Nasser sent his army into the Sinai only in response to Israeli provocations was exposed long ago. The spinners on this forum though rely on you not to be aware of the actual evidence out there when they spin. Poof begone with that reality. Its a lie according to JustaBubba and wait for it Demon will be back with the response..." um yah I knew about that but Fawzi's comments were taken out of context-look for the dots.......".

    Fawzi's report was kept secret and Nasser sent his troops into Sinai knowing there was no Israeli build up based on his own General's report but justified their entering the sinai AFTER Fawzi's report, saying the Soviet's had told them the Israelis were building up troops on Syria's border.

    Nasser made a bold faced like using the Soviet report as his cover. He know there was no build up against Syria. He had also been told prior to that announcement by the UN that they had sent their observers to the border and found zero evidence of any build up. They also knew when the Soviet ambassador to Israel was offered to be taken to the border where he claimed the Israeli troops were, the amvassador refused.

    But hey, according to JustaBubba that all just goes poof. Its a lie. Poof go away.
    what is found a lie is the attempts to pretend israel did not start the six-day war
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is found a lie is the attempts to pretend israel did not start the six-day war
    Yes I know. Never mind you pointed a loaded gun at my head resting on my temple* before I knocked it out of your hand. . any version of history other then the one that is limited to saying for no reason I wacked your hand is a lie.

    Lol yes Bubba I get your selective memory.


    *temple.....that was a play on words
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is found a lie is the attempts to pretend israel did not start the six-day war
    Egypt started the war, when they forced Israel to defend herself.

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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Egypt started the war, when they forced Israel to defend herself.
    Oh no no. It works like this.... if I point a loaded gun in your unarmed face and say I will kill you must shut up and let me kill you because if you defend yourself and knock the gun out of my hand you are victimizing me by not letting me murder you.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    The reality is this: Israel has never been in danger from any combination of Arab forces. It just suits the Israeli hawks to present the other idea as it justifies pre-emptive attacks, which in turn lead to land grabs. Which is what it's all about - "Greater Israel" and all that.

    Alan Hart, an English journalist with over 30 years experience reporting on the conflict, including exclusive access to the likes of Yasser Arafat and Golda Meir, and who was the first Western journalist to reach the Suez with the advancing Israelis in this war, says:

    'One of my sources, and actually my mentor in Israel, was (then retired) Major General Chaim Herzog, a former Director of Military Intelligence and one of the founding fathers of that agency. On day two of the war, he said to me: “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a pretext to go to war, we would have invented one in a year to 18 months.” '

    In the same article he also provides many other quotes from various Israeli military and intelligence officers showing that Nasser's actions were never seriously considered a threat.

    Even more significant is the publication Israel's Sacred Terrorism, a study based on Moshe Sharett's personal diary, by Livia Rokach, daughter of Israel Rokach, Minister of the Interior in the government of Moshe Sharett. Sharett was Israel's first Foreign Minister and Israel's second Prime Minister, after David Ben-Gurion resigned in the wake of the Lavon Affair scandal. His diary shows his frustration at Ben-Gurion's fondness for using brute force in achieving his goals, and the scheming and conniving of his sidekick, Moshe Dayan.

    From the introduction:

    "The Israeli political /military establishment never seriously believed in an Arab threat to the existence of Israel... The occupation by Israel of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 has been described, and is still widely understood today, as an Israeli defensive action in the face of Arab threats. Sharett's Diary offers unequivocable [sic] evidence that the occupation of Gaza and also of the West Bank was part of lsrael's plans since the early fifties. American Zionist leaders were informed about these plans in 1954..."

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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    The reality is this: Israel has never been in danger from any combination of Arab forces. It just suits the Israeli hawks to present the other idea as it justifies pre-emptive attacks, which in turn lead to land grabs. Which is what it's all about - "Greater Israel" and all that.

    Alan Hart, an English journalist with over 30 years experience reporting on the conflict, including exclusive access to the likes of Yasser Arafat and Golda Meir, and who was the first Western journalist to reach the Suez with the advancing Israelis in this war, says:

    'One of my sources, and actually my mentor in Israel, was (then retired) Major General Chaim Herzog, a former Director of Military Intelligence and one of the founding fathers of that agency. On day two of the war, he said to me: “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a pretext to go to war, we would have invented one in a year to 18 months.” '

    In the same article he also provides many other quotes from various Israeli military and intelligence officers showing that Nasser's actions were never seriously considered a threat.

    Even more significant is the publication Israel's Sacred Terrorism, a study based on Moshe Sharett's personal diary, by Livia Rokach, daughter of Israel Rokach, Minister of the Interior in the government of Moshe Sharett. Sharett was Israel's first Foreign Minister and Israel's second Prime Minister, after David Ben-Gurion resigned in the wake of the Lavon Affair scandal. His diary shows his frustration at Ben-Gurion's fondness for using brute force in achieving his goals, and the scheming and conniving of his sidekick, Moshe Dayan.

    From the introduction:

    "The Israeli political /military establishment never seriously believed in an Arab threat to the existence of Israel... The occupation by Israel of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 has been described, and is still widely understood today, as an Israeli defensive action in the face of Arab threats. Sharett's Diary offers unequivocable [sic] evidence that the occupation of Gaza and also of the West Bank was part of lsrael's plans since the early fifties. American Zionist leaders were informed about these plans in 1954..."
    I was under the impression it was the soviets at the time, through Syria, pushing Nasser to do what he did, he, Nasser, not really wanting a confrontation with Israel, yet they were accusing him ofd basically not being seriouse in his leadership, chicken in a way, iif you can beelive that type of insunuation would be done at this lever, like a dareing one , if they don't do this or that..and then when the sioviets saw what happened, threatening all types of reactions if the Israeli's didn't ceast and desist..

    It was as much as a dissing and a possible come down on USA influence in the area , Middle east, as it was a Arab, Israli situation that they , Soviets, were looking for..that bit them in the butt. From what I thought I understood of the actions there..

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    Re: The 1967 War

    This issue has come up again in at least one more string.
    Lets make it a coherent/unfragmented/On Topic discussion.
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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by Mika-El View Post
    In the world of Demon and JustaBubba on May 18, 1967 as Nasser ordered the massing of a total of three infantry divisions and one armoured division and 70– 80,000 soldiers, supported by 600 tanks, as well as supporting artillery and air force units into the Sinai Peninsula, stationed 20 kilometres from the Israeli border, that is not a sign of beligerence according to Demon and its a lie to suggest it gave Israel reason to fear for its existence according to JustaBubba.

    By the way between May 24 and June 4, 1967 when in direct response to Nasser's request Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Lebanon moved their armies to the Israeli border-well that's not beligerence according to Demon-just conveniently ignore that and of course according to JustaBubba to even mention it is a lie.

    Right. That gun pointed at my head fully loaded oh just ignore it. My reaction to the gun by knocking it out of your hand, well duh, it is unprovoked. How dare I knock that gun away. It was uncalled for.

    Lol. Pooof begone with any evidence of anything to do with the gun. POOOOOOOOF I say!
    Saudi Arabia did NOT move its army anywhere.. Saudi Arabia's troops were busy in Yemen fighting on the side of the Royalists in the Yemeni civil war..

    Saudi Arabia did not participate in the 1967 war at all, Mika-el.

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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Saudi Arabia did NOT move its army anywhere.. Saudi Arabia's troops were busy in Yemen fighting on the side of the Royalists in the Yemeni civil war..

    Saudi Arabia did not participate in the 1967 war at all, Mika-el.
    So it was only Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq.

    That makes a huge difference.

    Thanks for clarifying.

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    Re: The 1967 War

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    So it was only Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq.

    That makes a huge difference.

    Thanks for clarifying.
    Well, once Israel bombed Egypt's airforce lined up on the Tarmac.. it pretty much became a free for all... and the end results REALLY cost the US.

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