Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 82
Like Tree12Likes

Thread: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

  1. #31
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,629
    Likes Received
    796 times
    Likes Given
    154

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    By the way, Thai workers in Itamar have been arrested. A Thai man worked for the Fogel family , the family owed him a large sum of money.

    Israeli authorities refused to comment but they arrested Thai workers for questioning about the murders.


    'Itamar killings carried out by foreign worker'
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
    To understand does not mean to support or to excuse

  2. #32
    DEATH TO ANTARCTICA!!!
    Apocalypse's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Israel
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    13,137
    Likes Received
    3361 times
    Likes Given
    3564

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    By the way, Thai workers in Itamar have been arrested. A Thai man worked for the Fogel family , the family owed him a large sum of money.

    Israeli authorities refused to comment but they arrested Thai workers for questioning about the murders.


    'Itamar killings carried out by foreign worker'
    A number of news Web sites that are affiliated with the Palestinian Authority claimed on Monday that the Itamar killings were committed by a foreign worker who was employed in the settlement.

    PA-controlled media outlets also highlighted the story and continued to cast doubt about Israeli claims that Palestinians were behind the killings.
    PA journalism is responsible for a great part of the incitement that led to that murder. It's only natural they would be trying to bury this act of barbarism under false claims that do not associate it with Palestinian individuals. And the murderers have entered through the fence from a nearby West Bank Palestinian village, Thai workers don't need to cut a fence and enter from a Palestinian village, they work in the settlement. so it's not merely pathetic and appalling lies but an insult to the intelligence of man. Their cover-up attempts of the murder are disgusting and repulsive, just as disgusting as the knowledge that a lot of their readers buy into their lies.
    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

  3. #33
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,376
    Likes Received
    1284 times
    Likes Given
    1462

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    PA journalism is responsible for a great part of the incitement that led to that murder. It's only natural they would be trying to bury this act of barbarism under false claims that do not associate it with Palestinian individuals. And the murderers have entered through the fence from a nearby West Bank Palestinian village, Thai workers don't need to cut a fence and enter from a Palestinian village, they work in the settlement. so it's not merely pathetic and appalling lies but an insult to the intelligence of man. Their cover-up attempts of the murder are disgusting and repulsive, just as disgusting as the knowledge that a lot of their readers buy into their lies.
    Well we will need to wait and see. Apparently The New York Times has also reported this as recounted here

    even if the motives of the killer seem obvious to everyone, journalists covering the incident must be reminded there is no hard evidence that a Palestinian terrorist committed the crime. No viable armed faction has taken credit, and Israeli police are even treating Thai workers as suspects. Itamar is heavily guarded, surrounded by an electrified fence, and monitored 24/7 by a sophisticated system of video surveillance. Yet there is no video of the killer. Like it or not, until the identity of the killer is confirmed, the murder can only be described by journalists as an “alleged terror attack.” Legitimate outrage is no excuse to flout the basics of journalism 101.

    That said, Blumenthal points out that there has been considerable violence directed at nearby Palestinians-- little of which has attracted the same type of coverage we're seeing now:
    FAIR Blog Blog Archive Assigning Blame for West Bank Killings

    My hair was standing on end when I saw Interior Minister Eli Yishai thinks the 400 houses is a very poor punishement and wants rather 1000 for every person killed. That's be 5000 in all.

    Yishai: Israel must build 1,000 new units in settlements for every person murdered - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

    When will this all end?
    Last edited by alexa; 03-18-11 at 07:13 AM.

  4. #34
    DEATH TO ANTARCTICA!!!
    Apocalypse's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Israel
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    13,137
    Likes Received
    3361 times
    Likes Given
    3564

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Well we will need to wait and see.
    The autocracy called the PA has never earned its right to make us wait and see with its 'newspapers' claims.
    If Iran or Libya or Syria or Saudi government-affailated newspapers would have made that statement we would be taking them with the same amount of seriousness.

    Apparently The New York Times has also reported this as recounted here
    The blog includes no links to a NYT report as far as I've seen, and googling the passage leads to various anti-Israeli hate-sites. Unless you provide a direct link to the new york times report it is as if you have provided nothing.
    The Thai workers don't need to cut a fence and enter from a Palestinian village, it is a poor attempt to cover-up the murderers' identity by the people who support those murders.

    My hair was standing on end when I saw Interior Minister Eli Yishai thinks the 400 houses is a very poor punishement and wants rather 1000 for every person killed. That's be 5000 in all.
    My hair is standing on end from the feeling of remorse from people who care more about a bunch of houses built in existing settlements when children have had their throat cut and body stabbed as they were sleeping.
    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

  5. #35
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,629
    Likes Received
    796 times
    Likes Given
    154

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    PA journalism is responsible for a great part of the incitement that led to that murder. It's only natural they would be trying to bury this act of barbarism under false claims that do not associate it with Palestinian individuals. And the murderers have entered through the fence from a nearby West Bank Palestinian village, Thai workers don't need to cut a fence and enter from a Palestinian village, they work in the settlement. so it's not merely pathetic and appalling lies but an insult to the intelligence of man. Their cover-up attempts of the murder are disgusting and repulsive, just as disgusting as the knowledge that a lot of their readers buy into their lies.
    Most news outlets have reported that the terrorist "jumped over the fense". There have been no pictures of the supposedly "cut" fense.
    Itamar massacre: Army blamed for breach - Israel News, Ynetnews

    What you're saying is that anything that the PA says is automatically classified as false but when the Israeli authorities say something is considered to be the absolute truth.

    Why did the Israelis arrest Thai workers then ? And why didn't the Israeli authorities deny this report but instead refused comment ?

    The answer is easy, even the Israeli government is still investigating and the criminal has not been caught yet.

    edit: from the Ynet report:

    "The area has many animals and shrubs that come in contact with the fence," Yisraeli explained. "In this case the fence wasn't cut, but skipped over. That is why the patrolman scanned the site and moved on after deducing there was a false alarm."

    Notice that they do not mention at what time an alert was heard, nor how many false alerts had been heard that night.
    Last edited by Mira; 03-18-11 at 07:59 AM.
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
    To understand does not mean to support or to excuse

  6. #36
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    12-11-14 @ 08:36 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    22,982
    Likes Received
    13215 times
    Likes Given
    3441

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The blog includes no links to a NYT report as far as I've seen, and googling the passage leads to various anti-Israeli hate-sites.
    This is certainly not surprising, all things considered.




    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My hair is standing on end from the feeling of remorse from people who care more about a bunch of houses built in existing settlements when children have had their throat cut and body stabbed as they were sleeping.
    and neither is this. The initial statements offered only for appearance sake soon gave way to the real agenda.
    You lack lust; you're so lackluster. Is that all the strength you can muster?

  7. #37
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,376
    Likes Received
    1284 times
    Likes Given
    1462

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The autocracy called the PA has never earned its right to make us wait and see with its 'newspapers' claims.
    your hate is noted


    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post

    The blog includes no links to a NYT report as far as I've seen, and googling the passage leads to various anti-Israeli hate-sites. Unless you provide a direct link to the new york times report it is as if you have provided nothing.
    Yes, my mistake. I have checked with the NY Times and not been able to find it. It would though make sense that those people would also be interviewed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post

    The Thai workers don't need to cut a fence and enter from a Palestinian village, it is a poor attempt to cover-up the murderers' identity by the people who support those murders.
    Have you never noticed Apocalypse that people who commit crimes have a tendency to try and put people off the scent. What better way than to cut the fence and have you believing that that alone makes them innocent.



    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My hair is standing on end from the feeling of remorse from people who care more about a bunch of houses built in existing settlements when children have had their throat cut and body stabbed as they were sleeping.
    Brutal murders have been committed on an illegal settlement and your government, who claims to want peace, wishes to exploit these murders by building up to 5,000 more illegal buildings as a collective punishment. If I remember correctly the family itself has been disgusted at the way this, as yet unsolved crime, has been used for political gain.

  8. #38
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,629
    Likes Received
    796 times
    Likes Given
    154

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Now notice this blog. It talks about 2 terrorists who jumped the fens and waited inside the settlement for 2-3 hours before breaking into the house.

    Shabbat Shalom - the view from my veranda: Terror in Itamar

    First of all, terrorists who infiltrate into a setllement would not wait for 2-3 hours in a high security zone.

    Second, the Fogel Family's house wasn't broken into but the murderer walked in through an unlocked door. Only someone who knew that they slept while leaving a door unlocked would have directly used that door, in other words someone who knew the family and their habits. A palestinian living outside of the settlement wouldn't have known.

    edit: by the way, apart from 3 photos that have been distributed by AFP/Getty, there have been no witnesses of celebrations in Gaza. The photos of the photographer are most probaly fake. A complaint has been filed against the photographer who claims that the he had run into that one man in the steet sponaniously distributing sweets, without knowing what had happened exactly. He also claims that the blurry part of the banner behind one of the photos is a drop of water on his lens. It was not raining that day. An investigation is nderway.
    Last edited by Mira; 03-18-11 at 08:15 AM.
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
    To understand does not mean to support or to excuse

  9. #39
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Seen
    07-15-14 @ 04:35 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,629
    Likes Received
    796 times
    Likes Given
    154

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    your hate is noted


    Yes, my mistake. I have checked with the NY Times and not been able to find it. It would though make sense that those people would also be interviewed.



    Have you never noticed Apocalypse that people who commit crimes have a tendency to try and put people off the scent. What better way than to cut the fence and have you believing that that alone makes them innocent.





    Brutal murders have been committed on an illegal settlement and your government, who claims to want peace, wishes to exploit these murders by building up to 5,000 more illegal buildings as a collective punishment. If I remember correctly the family itself has been disgusted at the way this, as yet unsolved crime, has been used for political gain.

    Alexa, the fence had not been cut but jumped over. See my post above.
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
    To understand does not mean to support or to excuse

  10. #40
    Educator
    Mika-El's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    quantum paradox
    Last Seen
    09-25-12 @ 05:00 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,005
    Likes Received
    365 times
    Likes Given
    222

    Re: PA pushing Quartet to recognize 1967 borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    You mean Black September, the Black Sabbath is when the British raided the Haganah arsenals in the Kibbutzs

    Oy gevalt. I just read that back. Mea Culpa.
    Last edited by Mika-El; 03-18-11 at 08:21 AM.
    The river's journey is inevitable. It will always find its way not matter how many times
    you try stop it.

Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •