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Who Will Make Peace When Palestinians Are Divided?

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One of the main reasons I'm so pessimistic on peace any time soon.
Israel's leadership doesn't help IMO; but it's almost academic for now.
Some interesting New Poll results from the Palestinians on 'their' govts.
28% for Hamas
26% for Fatah
31% say Both are illegitimate.

Who Will Make Peace When Palestinians Are Divided? ? Forward.com
By Nathan Jeffay
Published March 17, 2010, issue of March 26, 2010.

Jerusalem — Whenever he is asked about prospects for a two-state solution, Moshe Elad, who was the first head of Israeli-Palestinian security coordination after the Oslo Accords, answers with a question of his own: “In the West, people see removing settlements as the most effective way of moving things forward. But say we reach a point where settlements are removed. Where the hell do we go from there?”

Elad, now a researcher at the Haifa-based Technion, took part in negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians in the late 1990s, and says that the sticking points today are the same as they were during those meetings. Only at least back then, negotiators on the Palestinian side could talk for their people.

Now, while the same negotiators, members of the Palestine Liberation Organization, claim the same mandate to determine the future of the West Bank and Gaza, the rival Hamas faction rules Gaza. Washington-based Palestinian affairs expert Nathan Brown, who was a member of the international advisory committee on drafting the Palestinian constitution, professes deep concern. “You can get someone to sign on the dotted line — maybe — but if they do, it’s not very clear who they speak for,” he said.

The division cuts to the heart of Palestinian society. According to a poll published in March by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, an independent think tank, 28% of Palestinians believe that the Gaza-based government is the legitimate one, and 26% believe that the West Bank one is legitimate. The question of who speaks for the Palestinians is even more complicated when one considers the fact that some 31% of respondents considered both to be illegitimate.
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A mess.
 
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Palestinians are not a nation, they have no history of united political power. Yes they can collaborate in military action, but not in peace.

For Peace to take hold, the Palestinians need a decisive and controlling faction. Which means all out civil war.
 
Israel, ultimately, has to stop giving the Palestinians lists of things to be angry at them for, or at least shorter lists of things.

Removing the settlements from Palestinian territory would be a huge step. Offering some kind of a compromise on Jerusalem would also be huge.

If the Israeli government would make a point of not being an enemy of the Palestinian people, then instead of launching rockets at Israel, the Palestinians would turn to fighting one another.

Once someone comes out on top, that's who you negotiate with for peace.

It's really not that complicated.
 

Palestinians are not a nation, they have no history of united political power.
Yes they can collaborate in military action, but not in peace.

For Peace to take hold, the Palestinians need a decisive and controlling faction. Which means all out civil war.
Good points.
But Not even that 'simple'.

There are 2 Hamas factions; the Syrian Based leadership and the Gazan.
AND... even within the Gazan faction, I believe there is younger yet more radical bunch making some hay.
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Israel, ultimately, has to stop giving the Palestinians lists of things to be angry at them for, or at least shorter lists of things.

Removing the settlements from Palestinian territory would be a huge step. Offering some kind of a compromise on Jerusalem would also be huge.

If the Israeli government would make a point of not being an enemy of the Palestinian people, then instead of launching rockets at Israel, the Palestinians would turn to fighting one another.

Once someone comes out on top, that's who you negotiate with for peace.

It's really not that complicated.

The Israelies already removed settlements and gave the area to the Palestinians. Their reward was to be attacked further and have soliders kidnapped by terrorists living in those areas.

No. Israel need not give anymore land to terrorists. It the Palestinians want peace they must expel Hamas, cease brainwashing their children into junior jihadies, and learn to live in peace.

Israel has a right to have a presense in Jerusalem. If the Palestinians do not like it, to damn bad. They can deal with it. King Abdullah, the loud mouth asshole from Saudi, who has issues with it, can go **** his camel. The Israeli settlements in Jerusalem are none of his damn business. He can shut his piehole and stay the hell out of it.

Then there are the terrorists in Syria. Assad of Syria is a disgraceful human being who allows Hamas terrorists to hide in his country. He also allows Iran to use Syrian territory to ship Iranian made arms to Hamas terrorists.

Syria needs to be told ... cease your bull**** or face the consequences of supporting terrorists.
 
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Not missed.
Last discussed as a Title here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/60400-palestinians-flirt-unilateralism.html
and were threatening even back in Arafat's days to do the same.

Of course, that would still leave the Palestinian Reconciliation issue open.
Declaring a State without a single/Unity government is rather unwieldly.

I believe Egypt is still working to broker a deal between the factions without much success so far.
It is said Palestinian Hamas may be more willing than than it's leadership in Syria.
Oh... the Machiavellian M-E.

The Syrian group more influenced by the Iranians in the Newest M-E 'war'.
The Iranian sphere of influence/'Shia Cresecent' vs the Arab/Gulf-Arab/Israel side. (!)
The latter basically will agree to an Israeli existence and hopes to blunt Iranian adventurism.
That's realy THE new game. Not the 'old', now secondary, I-P issue.
Many want I-P to settle so Iran can be dealt with.
 
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Well it is to be understood that they would think of unilaterally declaring they own State. The original idea was of course that they would have a State. It is shame on the whole world that so many people have remained Stateless for so long and something which must be resolved.

In a recent Doha Debate in a vote only 11% of the audience said they had any confidence in them. Mainly people suggested they stood aside and let new people come through so that this never ending situation get resolved.

They will need to smarten up and do something for their people.
 
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Israel, ultimately, has to stop giving the Palestinians lists of things to be angry at them for, or at least shorter lists of things.

Removing the settlements from Palestinian territory would be a huge step. Offering some kind of a compromise on Jerusalem would also be huge.

If the Israeli government would make a point of not being an enemy of the Palestinian people, then instead of launching rockets at Israel, the Palestinians would turn to fighting one another.

Once someone comes out on top, that's who you negotiate with for peace.

It's really not that complicated.


I can think of whole lot of times in history when one group said to another, "We can be friends, we just want X." Problem is I can't think of a single time where that concession, especially territorial, actually did anything except encourage more statements of "We can be friends, we just need Y now."
 
I can think of whole lot of times in history when one group said to another, "We can be friends, we just want X."

Problem is I can't think of a single time where that concession, especially territorial, actually did anything except encourage more statements of "We can be friends, we just need Y now."

Larry Miller (not Dennis Miller)
http://www.jr.co.il/articles/politics/mideast.txt

".....Chew this around and spit it out: 500,000,000 Arabs; 5 Million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals.

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it.

Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense.

Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible.
Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death."...
 
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Well it is to be understood that they would think of unilaterally declaring they own State. The original idea was of course that they would have a State. It is shame on the whole world that so many people have remained Stateless for so long and something which must be resolved.

In a recent Doha Debate in a vote only 11% of the audience said they had any confidence in them. Mainly people suggested they stood aside and let new people come through so that this never ending situation get resolved.

They will need to smarten up and do something for their people.
Threatening to declare a state might push all the parties closer to what the have to do in any case.
Problem is..
I don't think Netanyahu is even willing to offer the Ohlmert or even Barak deals.

Middle East Views | Israel returns 99%!

And Abbas, who might have been ready to compromise with Ohlmert, (tho apparently rejected feelers), is not not even willing to Accept the exchange deal that PMs previous to Netanyahu were offering.

Abbas now matching the Hamas demand of the EXACT 1967 borders/no exchange.
Perhaps not wanting to look weak, or hoping the UN will give it to him on a silver platter.
But It's questionable whether Hamas (as currently led) evgfen wants peace.

But Unless the UN, does, AND is willing to go to War with Israel.. there still needs to be a negotiated settlement as proscribed by Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html

Though Israel will probably now have to reimburse palestine with any land made buffer from the '67 line.
BUT we're farther from Peace than 1 year ago or 5 years ago unlesss both side shock me.

And... Iran, a Hamas benefactor, doesn't want peace or an accepted 'zionist entity'. It sees itself surrounding Israel with it's allies Syria, Hizbollah run Lebanon, and Hamas Run 'palestine'. And Muscling the Gulf Arab states as well.
It's arguable Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are just as unhappy with Iranian Nukes/Shia-Flexing as Israel.
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Palestinians are demanding things as though they were the victors of both war of independence and 67. When you are in a position of weakness, just getting a state is a good thing.
 
Threatening to declare a state might push all the parties closer to what the have to do in any case.
Problem is..
I don't think Netanyahu is even willing to offer the Ohlmert or even Barak deals.

I believe you're correct. However, he is not obligated to do so. By choosing to forego the Clinton and, later, Olmert terms, the Palestinians were gambling that they could gain even better terms in the future. Sometimes things don't work out that way.

American stock options provide a useful illustration of the time-opportunity concept. For example, let's say one holds a stock option that gives one the right to buy IBM stock at $120 per share by December 31, 2010. Yesterday, it closed around $128 per share. By choosing to wait, one is anticipating that the stock will rise further. That would allow one to buy the stock at $120 per share and sell it at a higher price, making a larger profit. But that outcome is not assured.

Indeed, the Palestinian insistence on a full Israeli construction freeze beyond the West Bank is aimed at minimizing the potential losses associated with waiting. The Palestinians would like to hold out to extract ever more favorable terms with little consequence for doing so. Israel should not accommodate that posture. By doing so, it only creates incentives for the Palestinians to continue to hold out, which postpones the possibility of an agreement.

there still needs to be a negotiated settlement as proscribed by Res 242.

A negotiated settlement is the ideal outcome. Unfortunately, even as the 10-month construction freeze in the West Bank is intended as a "good faith" measure, it actually creates an incentive for Palestinians to refrain from returning to the negotiating table, as the "cost" of delay for the Palestinians is lowered.

I don't believe Israel should renew the temporary freeze when it expires (though Israel should be careful not to overreach beyond areas it can reasonably expect to retain in a final settlement), unless the Palestinians are actively engaged in negotiations and are showing flexibility sufficient to make progress toward a meaningful interim agreement or final settlement. Holding the Palestinians immune to the consequences of intransigence only inhibits diplomatic progress no matter how it is spun. In the larger scheme of things, the absence of diplomatic progress benefits the interests of neither party. It deprives Palestinians of a state. It deprives Israel of a chance to reach an agreement that ends the historic conflict.
 
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I believe you're correct. However, he is not obligated to do so. By choosing to forego the Clinton and, later, Olmert terms, the Palestinians were gambling that they could gain even better terms in the future. Sometimes things don't work out that way.

American stock options provide a useful illustration of the time-opportunity concept. For example, let's say one holds a stock option that gives one the right to buy IBM stock at $120 per share by December 31, 2010. Yesterday, it closed around $128 per share. By choosing to wait, one is anticipating that the stock will rise further. That would allow one to buy the stock at $120 per share and sell it at a higher price, making a larger profit. But that outcome is not assured....
I understand how options work; I'm a financial/securities professional.
But working on a Peace deal is an open-ended contract with no expiration.
More of a price target than an expiring instrument.
While it's true each leader is an 'expiring contract', if leaders move further apart, as both have in this case.. Peace isn't going to happen.
You can call that 'too bad', but it's tragic for both.
It's possible after 5? years of Netanyahu, the Palestinians won't want what's left. Call that 'pressure' if you like, but it will just put more pressure on the next PM.


Indeed, the Palestinian insistence on a full Israeli construction freeze beyond the West Bank is aimed at minimizing the potential losses associated with waiting. The Palestinians would like to hold out to extract ever more favorable terms with little consequence for doing so. Israel should not accommodate that posture. By doing so, it only creates incentives for the Palestinians to continue to hold out, which postpones the possibility of an agreement.
I'm of mixed sentiment whether building while trying for a Peace deal is wise.
On the on the one hand it adds some pressure to the Palestinian side, on the other it's encroaching on what they want- and embarrassing them with their own people. Without going into cultural eccentricities, these guys need Peace with honor.
Abbas has Hamas to his Right, and even Hamas has Syrian/Iranian Hamas to Their right!
As I've said, it's difficult to negotiate over the sound of hammers (in Jerusalem/both's capital) out the window.

I don't believe Israel should renew the temporary freeze when it expires (though Israel should be careful not to overreach beyond areas it can reasonably expect to retain in a final settlement), unless the Palestinians are actively engaged in negotiations and are showing flexibility sufficient to make progress toward a meaningful interim agreement or final settlement. Holding the Palestinians immune to the consequences of intransigence only inhibits diplomatic progress no matter how it is spun. In the larger scheme of things, the absence of diplomatic progress benefits the interests of neither party. It deprives Palestinians of a state. It deprives Israel of a chance to reach an agreement that ends the historic conflict.
I believe Israel should quietly offer the Barak or Ohlmert exchanges right now. Perhaps culminating in the fuller/virtual 100% land exchange of the latter.

To me it is the obvious end-game/solution and will tempt at least Abbas.
The whole dynamic changes if Netanyahu does this and the pressure will again be back on Hamas if Abbas makes it known, unofficially, (as he has previously), that he would be willing for something like it. Even if he wants to maintain '67 as an official platform.
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easier to make peace when they are devided. If there will be a peace agreement when the PA doesn't control the Gaza strip than the Gaza strip will be out of the deal, while when PA controls Gaza strip and Hamas lobs rockets on Israel while PA is in negotiations will make our right screem that we are negotiating with the people who attacks us on daily basis. Its easier for our goverment to make this division between those two entities, negotiate while respond agressivly to the other.
 
easier to make peace when they are devided. If there will be a peace agreement when the PA doesn't control the Gaza strip than the Gaza strip will be out of the deal, while when PA controls Gaza strip and Hamas lobs rockets on Israel while PA is in negotiations will make our right screem that we are negotiating with the people who attacks us on daily basis. Its easier for our goverment to make this division between those two entities, negotiate while respond agressivly to the other.

This is a view I held strongly when I learned that Hamas had won the majority in the parliamentary elections in Gaza. Israel should have negotiated with the official Palestinian representatives in the West Bank instead of training /funding them to be on the verge of civil war. Imagine that in 2006, Israel offered more autonomy to the West Bank. This would have shown the citizens in Gaza that diplomacy creates peace, and peace creates independence.
 
This is a view I held strongly when I learned that Hamas had won the majority in the parliamentary elections in Gaza. Israel should have negotiated with the official Palestinian representatives in the West Bank instead of training /funding them to be on the verge of civil war. Imagine that in 2006, Israel offered more autonomy to the West Bank. This would have shown the citizens in Gaza that diplomacy creates peace, and peace creates independence.

We can imagine many things, imagine Arafat took Barak's deal in 2000, or at least continued negotiations instead of turning to violance... That would make my army servies period very boring (and I'd be very happy with that).
 
No end to THIS conflict which should be settled before Israel and 'palestine' even sit down.

Palestinian Authority To Hold Elections Without Gaza : NPR
by Lourdes Garcia-Navarro
April 21, 2010
3 minute Audio within incl quotes from Palestinians cited.

The Palestinian Authority will hold elections this summer without the participation of the Gaza Strip, sources told NPR Wednesday.
The militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, has refused to allow elections to take place in the coastal enclave until a reconciliation agreement is signed between Hamas and Fatah, the party that dominates in the West Bank.

It's another sign that the divisions between the West Bank and Gaza are becoming more permanent.


Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib said that the decision has been taken to move ahead with municipal elections on July 17 in the West Bank only. During a Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad shared with Cabinet members a letter from the Central Elections Commission that said it would not be able to hold elections in Gaza because Hamas is preventing its preparations, Khatib said. "And the Cabinet is determined to proceed with elections in the West Bank," he added.

The Palestinian Authority has threatened several times in recent months to hold the polls without the participation of Hamas in Gaza. Many see it as a tactic to place pressure on the Islamist group to sign a reconciliation agreement.

Hamas won the last round of elections in 2006. But because it is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and the West, the group found it almost impossible to rule. It tried to form a government with rival Fatah, but open war broke out between the two factions in 2007, leading to Fatah's expulsion from Gaza.
Since then, Hamas and Fatah have been holding largely fruitless negotiations to restore Palestinian unity....."
 
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Bumping this thread. I'm aware that there's been others (like me) new to the ME forum. This is worth a read
 
Hello, new in the forum. I'm 21 years old and from Israel.

Throughout history, the Arab nations were only united in their will to destroy Israel...I don't think that you can really speak with people, or nations which are only united by their hatred towards you.

There is currently no solution for a viable Palestinian state...
 
Hello, new in the forum. I'm 21 years old and from Israel.

Throughout history, the Arab nations were only united in their will to destroy Israel...I don't think that you can really speak with people, or nations which are only united by their hatred towards you.

There is currently no solution for a viable Palestinian state...

Welcome Shlomi.
 
Palestinian general elections, originally scheduled for May 4th, have been Delayed.. until who knows when.
Another setback for peace.
Hamas leaders/Palestinian dissension, part of Iran's Islamist Proxy War against Israel.

Fatah: Iran paid Hamas to block Palestinian unity deal - Haaretz | Israel News
Fatah spokesman says Iran recently resumed financial aid to Hamas which had been suspended half a year ago over Hamas' failure to back the Assad regime in Syria.
By Reuters - 3/20/2012


Iran paid the Islamist group Hamas to block a deal with the rival Fatah movement that would have ended a five-year rift between the two main Palestinian factions, a Fatah spokesman said on Tuesday. He said Tehran recently resumed financial aid to Hamas which it had suspended six months ago over the Palestinian movement's failure to back their mutual ally President Bashar Assad of Syria in his military campaign to crush dissent.

Hamas has since turned overtly against Assad. But, according to Fatah, Iran is more concerned with supporting the armed Palestinian movement that is ready to challenge Israel from its Gaza Strip stronghold.
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Assaf was responding to a comment by Zahar that Palestinian political reconciliation "is in the freezer now", despite a unity deal signed last month. "Reconciliation is in the freezer because Zahar was the one who put it there and he got the price from Iran," Assaf told Reuters. "Zahar, Haniyeh and Hamas's Gaza leadership were paid by Iran to freeze reconciliation."
Hamas rejected the charges.[......]

"Iran has an interest in the division continuing. Iran realizes the importance of the Palestinian cause from the religious, political and geographic status and, therefore, it wants to control it," Assaf said. If unity was restored and the Palestine Liberation Organization or any legitimate leadership ruled Gaza, Iran would lose its influence, he said.
 
Olmert's "Peace Partner" Cannot Deliver and Has No Mandate
by Abdel Karim Shalabi
March 28, 2012
Olmert's "Peace Partner" Cannot Deliver and Has No Mandate :: Gatestone Institute

"....The question today, however, is not whether or not Abbas is a peace partner. Rather, what Olmert needs to ask himself is whether the Palestinian president can deliver or not. The answer is very simple and clear. Even if Abbas wanted to deliver a peace deal, he Cannot. Abbas's term in office expired in January 2009, but, because the US Administration wanted him to stay in power, he remained. The result is that he is seen by many Palestinians as an illegitimate leader. No Palestinian leader has a mandate to make any concessions to Israel in return for peace.

It is also not clear how Abbas is supposed to implement any peace agreement with Israel when he can not even visit the Gaza Strip, which Hamas ordered him to leave in 2007. Abbas has no direct control over the more than 1.4 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip. He also does not enjoy the backing of millions of Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Most of these refugees are strongly opposed to any compromise that does not secure the "right of return" to their former villages and homes inside Israel.

Further, It is even not clear today whether Abbas enjoys the full backing of his own Fatah faction. A growing number of disgruntled Fatah officials are beginning to challenge Abbas's policies, with some going as far as calling on him to step down and pave the way for some new, emerging younger leaders. Abbas's actions and words in the past few years show that he is a peace partner not for Israel, but for Hamas. Instead of returning to the negotiating table to talk with Israel, he has been talking with Hamas, which seeks the destruction of Israel, about ways of achieving "reconciliation" and forming a Palestinian unity government."..."
It looks to me like issues on both sides make peace further away than any time in 40 years.
First order of business, unless you are in favor of 3 states, is getting a single Palestinian leadership.
 
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Mbig,
I apologise for such a long delay in this post; I've found myself quite busy recently with my upcoming external exams, so forgive the short post and potential long delays in my responses.
You asked for my views on Salam Fayyad, and I'll try to summarise them here.
In essence, I find Fayyad to be the potentially best candidate/partner for peace within Palestine, particularly for his stance in moderation when compared to Hamas' violent methods and Abbas' lackluster performances (particularly in the recently leaked concession offers). I think ideologically, his theory of focusing on the domestic economy within Palestine, and vitally in the construction of functioning institutions. This could potentially be more effective than the current lifeless "peaceful negotiations", particularly as it establishes mutual ground between the Palestinians and Israelis (as opposed to the current massive power imbalance) as well as ensuring international support due to his rejection of violent resistance. However, my primary flaw with this ideology is that it may be somewhat idealistic for numerous reasons

Firstly, while many claim that Fayyad has contributed to a reduction in corruption within the Palestinian Authority; there have been serious allegations towards him and his policies on the basis of corruption. Many argue that while perhaps he himself does not participate directly in corrupt policies, he condones and does not do enough to combat them. This is massively detrimental to the fundamental basis of his ideology, as corruption is a massive obstacle to the economic rebuilding of the Palestinian state.
Furthermore, I think Israel would have to play a significant role in this policy; current blockades on Palestinian territories are one of the most detrimental obstacles to the Palestinian domestic economy and standard of living.

If the Palestinian people are struggling to find water, how will they rebuild a state plagued by six decades of conflict?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinian water crisis deepens

When you combine this with the fact that 85% of the exports that once took place from the West Bank and Gaza strip have been banned under restrictions by the Israeli government, you see how large a role they play in the Palestinian economy. Restrictions on fuel have contributed to the recent fuel crisis within Gaza, and even in the significantly less hostile West Bank, restrictions on travel completely flatten manufacturing, construction and a large portion of the public service sector, draining as much as $2bn from the economy in recent years.

For this reason, I fear that Fayyad's policy of essentially ignoring the role of Israel and trying to rebuild the Palestinian economy may be somewhat idealistic, considering the massive control and influence they have over the Palestinian economy, and have had throughout the occupation. As well as this, I think whether we like it or not, Hamas' influence HAS to be dealt with in order to achieve any lasting peace. I understand that their methods should be critically condemned, but the fact remains that they control a significant portion of the Palestinian territories, and so any leadership of the PA would have to negotiate and try to sway Hamas further into moderation. Without a united Palestinian leadership to represent their people, there's no way that peace is conceivable at any point in the near future, and as bad as it may be, negotiation with "the bad guys" is sometimes necessary.

Finally, I'd like to express my skepticism regarding how the Israeli government would react to this new outlook of Palestinian leadership should Fayyad be in charge. I think that he would pose a real threat to the status quo, and should he be successful in producing a de facto Palestinian state, a transition of power could take place which would give the Palestinians a better negotiating position both directly and through the perspectives of the international community. My concern is that the current Israeli leadership under Netanyahu, has no aims to change the status quo if it requires concessions, and so may try to shoot down his policies.

Thanks for taking the time to read,
I'd love to hear your (and anyone else's) response to my expressions here.
Justice
 
Mbig,
I apologise for such a long delay in this post; I've found myself quite busy recently with my upcoming external exams, so forgive the short post and potential long delays in my responses.
You asked for my views on Salam Fayyad, and I'll try to summarise them here.
In essence, I find Fayyad to be the potentially best candidate/partner for peace within Palestine, particularly for his stance in moderation when compared to Hamas' violent methods and Abbas' lackluster performances (particularly in the recently leaked concession offers). I think ideologically, his theory of focusing on the domestic economy within Palestine, and vitally in the construction of functioning institutions. This could potentially be more effective than the current lifeless "peaceful negotiations", particularly as it establishes mutual ground between the Palestinians and Israelis (as opposed to the current massive power imbalance) as well as ensuring international support due to his rejection of violent resistance. However, my primary flaw with this ideology is that it may be somewhat idealistic for numerous reasons

Firstly, while many claim that Fayyad has contributed to a reduction in corruption within the Palestinian Authority; there have been serious allegations towards him and his policies on the basis of corruption. Many argue that while perhaps he himself does not participate directly in corrupt policies, he condones and does not do enough to combat them. This is massively detrimental to the fundamental basis of his ideology, as corruption is a massive obstacle to the economic rebuilding of the Palestinian state.
No problem on the time. I keep busy Off and on board.

If Fayyad is corrupt, or rather, allowing too much corruption.. who then?
Certainly he's better than anyone else.
He may not have been given all the power needed by Abbas to clean house.
Or perhaps that's part of the deal to run it.

Fayyad has great International respect, and I believe he is the Sole party in Palestine who does.
Palestine-to-be and Palestine will be a world-dependent state for at least a decade.
Money is crucial. The difference between success and a failed state.

Is he seen as an old Arafat cronie or too pro-Western? Too weak?
Surely, on lack of corruption alone, he is the winner.

But the PA and Hamas have apparently made a deal, he will not again serve as PM.
And he has said he 'won't stand in the way of his country', he accepts leaving.
It must be those who want him out are the power plotters/corrupt/fear him in a free election.

Furthermore, I think Israel would have to play a significant role in this policy; current blockades on Palestinian territories are one of the most detrimental obstacles to the Palestinian domestic economy and standard of living.
If the Palestinian people are struggling to find water, how will they rebuild a state plagued by six decades of conflict?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinian water crisis deepens
He's on it.
EUobserver.com / Headline News / EU to finance Palestinian water plant
At least the large part that is water mismanagement.
Everyone in the area has water problems. Must be the weather.

When you combine this with the fact that 85% of the exports that once took place from the West Bank and Gaza strip have been banned under restrictions by the Israeli government, you see how large a role they play in the Palestinian economy. Restrictions on fuel have contributed to the recent fuel crisis within Gaza, and even in the significantly less hostile West Bank, restrictions on travel completely flatten manufacturing, construction and a large portion of the public service sector, draining as much as $2bn from the economy in recent years.
It's my understanding Egypt has most, not all, of the responsibility for the fuel crisis; cutting off the tunnel supply.
If I recall correctly, Gasoline was actually Much cheaper in 'blockaded' Gaza than the West Bank.
And it's my impression the West Bank is prospering and growing handsomely.
It ain't Europe but neither is Greece or Spain. :^)

As for talking with Hamas for unity, OK. But that's conceding there Are two Palestines. Why not just have an internationally monitored One-state election where everyone is free to run in any district. At least Pretend they're a country before the UN makes them one.
You can't ask to be a country before you have a govt.

For this reason, I fear that Fayyad's policy of essentially ignoring the role of Israel and trying to rebuild the Palestinian economy may be somewhat idealistic, considering the massive control and influence they have over the Palestinian economy, and have had throughout the occupation. As well as this, I think whether we like it or not, Hamas' influence HAS to be dealt with in order to achieve any lasting peace. I understand that their methods should be critically condemned, but the fact remains that they control a significant portion of the Palestinian territories, and so any leadership of the PA would have to negotiate and try to sway Hamas further into moderation. Without a united Palestinian leadership to represent their people, there's no way that peace is conceivable at any point in the near future, and as bad as it may be, negotiation with "the bad guys" is sometimes necessary.
So you think he should be more vocal/bellicose to/at Israel as they are an impediment?
I think his methods are incredibly dignified.
People want a 'Palestinian Ghandi', better a Palestinian Businessman who can't be bothered by trivial violence, and who is seen as the face of the new/completely different Palestine.
"Violence. Wouldn't think of it, we're too busy running a country".
It's a master propaganda stroke as well. A 180° turn.
Who can deny a state to Palestine-as-Switzerland.


Finally, I'd like to express my skepticism regarding how the Israeli government would react to this new outlook of Palestinian leadership should Fayyad be in charge. I think that he would pose a real threat to the status quo, and should he be successful in producing a de facto Palestinian state, a transition of power could take place which would give the Palestinians a better negotiating position both directly and through the perspectives of the international community. My concern is that the current Israeli leadership under Netanyahu, has no aims to change the status quo if it requires concessions, and so may try to shoot down his policies.

Thanks for taking the time to read,
I'd love to hear your (and anyone else's) response to my expressions here.
Justice
Hey, No disagreement on Netanyahu as I've said too many times to count.
Peace's best chance IMO is the [for both sides Unlikely/wild guess] handshake between Livni and Fayyad, maybe 2017.
I've watched this for the last 30 years+ and Right now it looks as bad as it gets. Netanyahu and 2 Palestines.
Seems so bad, it's like we should talk about another subject for a few years, though this has been enjoyable.
 
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