Thread: Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs

They support a democratic form of government, but more than half of them believe that Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Knesset elections. One out of every six students would not want to study in the same class with an Ethiopian or an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, and 21% of them think that "Death to Arabs" is a legitimate expression.

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The teens were asked about the rights of Arab Israelis. Here, too, there was a gap in the opinions of religious and secular students. While 82% of religious students responded that they don't believe Arabs should be granted equal rights as Jews, 36% percent of seculars responded that they do not believe in equal rights for Arabs and Jews. Overall, 46% students believe there should not be equality between Jewish and Arab citizens of the State of Israel.

Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs - Israel News, Ynetnews

That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

A major difference exists between what an Israeli high-school student answers in a random poll, and what are the actions taken on the ground.

Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights, equal to the Jewish citizens, equal to the Druze citizens and equal to everyone else who holds an Israeli citizenship, and that's everything that should matter right now, because that's essentially what makes Israel a free, liberal democracy.

I bet that those are the same 40% who will try and get a discharge from the IDF. or the same 40% who think that Ben-Gurion is an airport.

but seriously I don't know how 536 kids are indication for anything, my high school alone had about 500 students, and I'm sure that if you would have used those 500 you'd get a different result. If we had names of schools it might give us more clue about the integrity of this survey.

Originally Posted by bub

They support a democratic form of government, but more than half of them believe that Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Knesset elections. One out of every six students would not want to study in the same class with an Ethiopian or an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, and 21% of them think that "Death to Arabs" is a legitimate expression.

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The teens were asked about the rights of Arab Israelis. Here, too, there was a gap in the opinions of religious and secular students. While 82% of religious students responded that they don't believe Arabs should be granted equal rights as Jews, 36% percent of seculars responded that they do not believe in equal rights for Arabs and Jews. Overall, 46% students believe there should not be equality between Jewish and Arab citizens of the State of Israel.

That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

The recently released survey by the Pew Research Center’s Pew Global Attitudes Project finds 46% of the Spanish rating Jews unfavorably. With these figures, Spain scores, once again, as the western country among those studied by this Institute (Poland, Russia, Germany, France, Britain, US.) with the most negative views of Jews.

A recent Spanish study shows similarly distressing results. According to a poll of the Observatorio Estatal de Convivencia Escolar (State Observatory for Coexistence in Schools), commissioned by the Ministry of Education, more than 50% of secondary school students (age 12 to 18) in Spain would not want to sit next to a Jewish classmate.

European Forum on Antisemitism

I wonder if these polls also remembers you a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

And how many Europeans [adults] don't want Religous equality for their Muslims and arabs?
http://catholicexchange.com/2009/12/17/125179/

• France: 49,000 readers at Le Figaro, by a 73%-27% margin, would vote to Ban new minarets in their country.
24,000 readers at L’Express agreed by an 86%-12% margin, with 2% undecided. A leading columnist, Ivan Rioufol of Le Figaro, wrote an article titled “Homage to the Resistance of the Swiss People.” President Nicolas Sarkozy was quoted as saying that “the people, in Switzerland as in France, don’t want their country to change, that it be denatured. They want to keep their identity.”
• Germany: 29.000 readers at Der Spiegel voted 76%-21%, with 2% undecided, to Ban minarets in Germany. 17,000 readers of Die Welt voted 82-16 in favor of “Yes, I feel cramped by minarets” over “No, freedom of religion is constrained.”
• Spain: 14,000 readers of 20 Minutos voted 93%-6% in favor of the statement “Good, we must curb Islamization’s growing presence” and against “Bad, it is an obstacle to the integration of immigrants.” 35,000 readers of El MUndo replied 80%-20% that they support a Swiss-like Banning of minarets.

Although not scientific, the Lop-sidedness of these (and other) polls, ranging from 73% to 93% majorities endorsing the Swiss referendum, signal that Swiss voters represent growing anti-Islamic sentiments throughout Europe. The new amendment also validates and potentially encourages resistance to Islamization throughout the continent.

For these reasons, the Swiss vote represents a possible turning point for European Islam.
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Dec. 9, 2009 update: (1) A scientific poll of Belgians sponsored by Le Soir weekly and carried out by iVOX finds that 59.3% of the Belgian population favors a Swiss-like Prohibition on building new minarets and 56.7% want to ban the building of mosques. The poll of 1,050 persons was taken on December 3-5 and has an accuracy of within 3%.

Originally Posted by mbig

And how many Europeans [adults] don't want Religous equality for their Muslims and arabs?
Swiss Minarets and European Islam|Catholic Exchange

That is not a good thing to show to discount Bub's study.

The last EU report I saw which I think was for 2007/08 had Islamophobia as high as 60% in some European countries and it would not surprise me if it has gone up even more.

Originally Posted by Tashah

European Forum on Antisemitism

I wonder if these polls also remembers you a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

A recent Spanish study shows similarly distressing results. According to a poll of the Observatorio Estatal de Convivencia Escolar (State Observatory for Coexistence in Schools), commissioned by the Ministry of Education, more than 50% of secondary school students (age 12 to 18) in Spain would not want to sit next to a Jewish classmate.

Wow that's incredible, I'm really surprised about that statistic

Originally Posted by alexa

That is not a good thing to show to discount Bub's study.

The last EU report I saw which I think was for 2007/08 had Islamophobia as high as 60% in some European countries and it would not surprise me if it has gone up even more.

So you're saying/admitting Europeans are more anti-Islam than Israeli High schoolers are anti-arab?
And Arabs are attacking Israel almost daily.
I guess it worked!


And as a subtopic.... I have a problem with this word "islamophobia", a complete Misnomer/botch of a word.
I know many people critical of Islam and Muslims, but I don't know a single person who is "phobic"/has an inordinate fear of Muslims.

I am critical of Islam so I guess under current usage/definition I'm an Islamophobe. (!)
But I'm NOT at all "Phobic" on the Theology or it's practitioners.
I tried to tackle this subject here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...nd-ad-hom.html (The Islamophobia Myth (& Ad Hom))
But was Crudely Sabotaged (as oft) by your buddy and others.
There should have been sanctions for that BS.

I know and do business with Muslims weekly. I Collect islamic Art, tho less lately, and almost went back to school (Oxford invitation was available) to study it many years ago.
I know it's periods/Dynasties from art.
My beginnings with it couldn't have been more pleasant.

So objecting to extraordinary accomodations being made to a small percent of the population, or not wanting the skyline or very character of Europe to change (or, ie, the Jews being chased out of Sweden by Muslims) (or Dutch be chased out of the Netherlands!), or pointing out the Inordinate amount of Violence/Persecution it causes within it's own areas and without, makes me an "islamophobe"?

Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more than they are supposed to know about Islam.
-thereligionofpeace.com

Yes. I guess so.

Originally Posted by bub

Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs - Israel News, Ynetnews

That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

Teenagers are, by and large, idiots. Their hormones are all out of whack. They think they know everything, all the while being so ignorant that they don't even know what it is they don't know.

I don't care about poll results amongst teenagers. If they are continually reminded that Palestinians are, by and large, Jewish, and that aside from that all people are created equal, they'll turn out okay.

Originally Posted by mbig

So you're saying/admitting Europeans are more anti-Islam than Israeli High schoolers are anti-arab?
I guess it worked!

I am agreeing that there is an alarming rise in Islamophobia in Europe. In addition as the link Tashah gave and the EU study I looked at said both Islamophobia and antisemitism tend to go together. They come from the same mindset.

In Tashah's link Spain was worse for both.