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Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs

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They support a democratic form of government, but more than half of them believe that Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Knesset elections. One out of every six students would not want to study in the same class with an Ethiopian or an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, and 21% of them think that "Death to Arabs" is a legitimate expression.

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The teens were asked about the rights of Arab Israelis. Here, too, there was a gap in the opinions of religious and secular students. While 82% of religious students responded that they don't believe Arabs should be granted equal rights as Jews, 36% percent of seculars responded that they do not believe in equal rights for Arabs and Jews. Overall, 46% students believe there should not be equality between Jewish and Arab citizens of the State of Israel.

Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs - Israel News, Ynetnews

That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.
 
A major difference exists between what an Israeli high-school student answers in a random poll, and what are the actions taken on the ground.

Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights, equal to the Jewish citizens, equal to the Druze citizens and equal to everyone else who holds an Israeli citizenship, and that's everything that should matter right now, because that's essentially what makes Israel a free, liberal democracy.
 
I bet that those are the same 40% who will try and get a discharge from the IDF. or the same 40% who think that Ben-Gurion is an airport.

but seriously I don't know how 536 kids are indication for anything, my high school alone had about 500 students, and I'm sure that if you would have used those 500 you'd get a different result. If we had names of schools it might give us more clue about the integrity of this survey.
 
They support a democratic form of government, but more than half of them believe that Arabs should not be allowed to vote in Knesset elections. One out of every six students would not want to study in the same class with an Ethiopian or an immigrant from the former Soviet Union, and 21% of them think that "Death to Arabs" is a legitimate expression.

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The teens were asked about the rights of Arab Israelis. Here, too, there was a gap in the opinions of religious and secular students. While 82% of religious students responded that they don't believe Arabs should be granted equal rights as Jews, 36% percent of seculars responded that they do not believe in equal rights for Arabs and Jews. Overall, 46% students believe there should not be equality between Jewish and Arab citizens of the State of Israel.
That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

The recently released survey by the Pew Research Center’s Pew Global Attitudes Project finds 46% of the Spanish rating Jews unfavorably. With these figures, Spain scores, once again, as the western country among those studied by this Institute (Poland, Russia, Germany, France, Britain, US.) with the most negative views of Jews.

A recent Spanish study shows similarly distressing results. According to a poll of the Observatorio Estatal de Convivencia Escolar (State Observatory for Coexistence in Schools), commissioned by the Ministry of Education, more than 50% of secondary school students (age 12 to 18) in Spain would not want to sit next to a Jewish classmate.
European Forum on Antisemitism

I wonder if these polls also remembers you a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.
 
And how many Europeans [adults] don't want Religous equality for their Muslims and arabs?
http://catholicexchange.com/2009/12/17/125179/
• France: 49,000 readers at Le Figaro, by a 73%-27% margin, would vote to Ban new minarets in their country.
24,000 readers at L’Express agreed by an 86%-12% margin, with 2% undecided. A leading columnist, Ivan Rioufol of Le Figaro, wrote an article titled “Homage to the Resistance of the Swiss People.” President Nicolas Sarkozy was quoted as saying that “the people, in Switzerland as in France, don’t want their country to change, that it be denatured. They want to keep their identity.”
• Germany: 29.000 readers at Der Spiegel voted 76%-21%, with 2% undecided, to Ban minarets in Germany. 17,000 readers of Die Welt voted 82-16 in favor of “Yes, I feel cramped by minarets” over “No, freedom of religion is constrained.”
• Spain: 14,000 readers of 20 Minutos voted 93%-6% in favor of the statement “Good, we must curb Islamization’s growing presence” and against “Bad, it is an obstacle to the integration of immigrants.” 35,000 readers of El MUndo replied 80%-20% that they support a Swiss-like Banning of minarets.

Although not scientific, the Lop-sidedness of these (and other) polls, ranging from 73% to 93% majorities endorsing the Swiss referendum, signal that Swiss voters represent growing anti-Islamic sentiments throughout Europe. The new amendment also validates and potentially encourages resistance to Islamization throughout the continent.

For these reasons, the Swiss vote represents a possible turning point for European Islam.
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Dec. 9, 2009 update: (1) A scientific poll of Belgians sponsored by Le Soir weekly and carried out by iVOX finds that 59.3% of the Belgian population favors a Swiss-like Prohibition on building new minarets and 56.7% want to ban the building of mosques. The poll of 1,050 persons was taken on December 3-5 and has an accuracy of within 3%.
 
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And how many Europeans [adults] don't want Religous equality for their Muslims and arabs?
Swiss Minarets and European Islam|Catholic Exchange

That is not a good thing to show to discount Bub's study.

The last EU report I saw which I think was for 2007/08 had Islamophobia as high as 60% in some European countries and it would not surprise me if it has gone up even more.
 
European Forum on Antisemitism

I wonder if these polls also remembers you a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

A recent Spanish study shows similarly distressing results. According to a poll of the Observatorio Estatal de Convivencia Escolar (State Observatory for Coexistence in Schools), commissioned by the Ministry of Education, more than 50% of secondary school students (age 12 to 18) in Spain would not want to sit next to a Jewish classmate.

Wow that's incredible, I'm really surprised about that statistic
 
That is not a good thing to show to discount Bub's study.

The last EU report I saw which I think was for 2007/08 had Islamophobia as high as 60% in some European countries and it would not surprise me if it has gone up even more.
So you're saying/admitting Europeans are more anti-Islam than Israeli High schoolers are anti-arab?
And Arabs are attacking Israel almost daily.
I guess it worked!


And as a subtopic.... I have a problem with this word "islamophobia", a complete Misnomer/botch of a word.
I know many people critical of Islam and Muslims, but I don't know a single person who is "phobic"/has an inordinate fear of Muslims.

I am critical of Islam so I guess under current usage/definition I'm an Islamophobe. (!)
But I'm NOT at all "Phobic" on the Theology or it's practitioners.
I tried to tackle this subject here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/62217-islamophobia-myth-and-ad-hom.html
But was Crudely Sabotaged (as oft) by your buddy and others.
There should have been sanctions for that BS.

I know and do business with Muslims weekly. I Collect islamic Art, tho less lately, and almost went back to school (Oxford invitation was available) to study it many years ago.
I know it's periods/Dynasties from art.
My beginnings with it couldn't have been more pleasant.

So objecting to extraordinary accomodations being made to a small percent of the population, or not wanting the skyline or very character of Europe to change (or, ie, the Jews being chased out of Sweden by Muslims) (or Dutch be chased out of the Netherlands!), or pointing out the Inordinate amount of Violence/Persecution it causes within it's own areas and without, makes me an "islamophobe"?

Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more than they are supposed to know about Islam.
-thereligionofpeace.com

Yes. I guess so.
 
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Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs - Israel News, Ynetnews

That's worrying, and even if saying that seems infractable here, that still remembers me a certain regime in a certain country located in austral africa.

Teenagers are, by and large, idiots. Their hormones are all out of whack. They think they know everything, all the while being so ignorant that they don't even know what it is they don't know.

I don't care about poll results amongst teenagers. If they are continually reminded that Palestinians are, by and large, Jewish, and that aside from that all people are created equal, they'll turn out okay.
 
So you're saying/admitting Europeans are more anti-Islam than Israeli High schoolers are anti-arab?
I guess it worked!

I am agreeing that there is an alarming rise in Islamophobia in Europe. In addition as the link Tashah gave and the EU study I looked at said both Islamophobia and antisemitism tend to go together. They come from the same mindset.

In Tashah's link Spain was worse for both.
 
I am agreeing that there is an alarming rise in Islamophobia in Europe. In addition as the link Tashah gave and the EU study I looked at said both Islamophobia and antisemitism tend to go together. They come from the same mindset.

In Tashah's link Spain was worse for both.
Whenever anyone brings up bias of ANY type, including Muslim Bias against others.. YOU bring them in as victims.

Rule 1 of Leftism: Muslims or other Third World people are NEVER to blame for their own actions; they can only be Victims.
ie, http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...homosexuality-0-fer-500-a.html#post1058434784
that and many more just in that string string.
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Rule 1 of Leftism: Muslims or other Third World people are NEVER to blame for their own actions; they can only be Victims.

Right-Wing Rule 1: Reduce any argument opposed to your own to a parody of the original argument, and if possible frame that parody as being the result of some kind of moral or mental defect.
 
Whenever anyone brings up bias of ANY type, including Muslim Bias against others.. YOU bring them in as victims.


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As it happened I avoided your invitation to get into a non ending argument and did not reply to that part. Your response to that was already prepared and is there in your reply even though nothing was said to warrent it. I did not give reason for that response. I simply answered you wanting me to clarify the position on Islamophobia in Europe.

Like Bub I was shocked at the antisemitism in Spain and have never heard of children not wanting to sit beside someone in class because of their race or religion. A couple of times I started to reply on this but the likelihood of someone like yourself turning this into a chance to abuse made me sit quiet.

Additionally if you took the trouble to look at the link Tashah would provide you would find that it is right wing not left wing who are most prone to antisemitism and Islamophobia.
 
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Additionally if you took the trouble to look at the link Tashah would provide you would find that it is right wing not left wing who are most prone to antisemitism and Islamophobia.

My understanding of the the terms "left wing" and "right wing" as they apply to European politics is very different from how those terms are employed in the United States.
 
I am agreeing that there is an alarming rise in Islamophobia in Europe. In addition as the link Tashah gave and the EU study I looked at said both Islamophobia and antisemitism tend to go together. They come from the same mindset.

In Tashah's link Spain was worse for both.

Stated attitudes to a pollster are one thing, tangible violent attacks and verifiable cases of discrimination and hate crimes are quite another. I think that you will find that the level of attacks on Jews in several eastern European states is far, far higher than in Spain. The Government takes the issue seriously though. A bookshop in Barcelona that was the focal point for holocaust deniers was closed and its owner jailed for Holocaust justification. Holocaust denial, as far as I am aware, is not illegal however, as this would be contrary to the constitutional right of free speech.

Some of the Spanish attitutdes towards Jews is a throw-back to the Franco-ist dictatorship when Jews did not enjoy full citizenship rights in a state where the Catholic church was the only recognised religion. Indeed, during that period you were not allowed to register a child's birth unless that child had an approved Christian name from a list drawn up by the Catholic hierarchy. Other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam and many protestant denominations were simply not permitted to worship.

Another element of this is that the Spanish public, for what reasons I know not, associate Jews more closely with the state of Israel than elsewhere. Spanish public opinion was, rightly in my opinion, extremely outraged by the Gaza episode and thus the distinction between the actions of Israel and opinions about Jews got muddled.
 
Stated attitudes to a pollster are one thing, tangible violent attacks and verifiable cases of discrimination and hate crimes are quite another. I think that you will find that the level of attacks on Jews in several eastern European states is far, far higher than in Spain. The Government takes the issue seriously though. A bookshop in Barcelona that was the focal point for holocaust deniers was closed and its owner jailed for Holocaust justification. Holocaust denial, as far as I am aware, is not illegal however, as this would be contrary to the constitutional right of free speech.

Some of the Spanish attitutdes towards Jews is a throw-back to the Franco-ist dictatorship when Jews did not enjoy full citizenship rights in a state where the Catholic church was the only recognised religion. Indeed, during that period you were not allowed to register a child's birth unless that child had an approved Christian name from a list drawn up by the Catholic hierarchy. Other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam and many protestant denominations were simply not permitted to worship.

Another element of this is that the Spanish public, for what reasons I know not, associate Jews more closely with the state of Israel than elsewhere. Spanish public opinion was, rightly in my opinion, extremely outraged by the Gaza episode and thus the distinction between the actions of Israel and opinions about Jews got muddled.

Well I wasn't actually having a go so much at Spain as pointing out that there is a correlation between the figures for Islaophobia and antisemitism. Of course if children are saying they don't want to sit beside a Jewish child at school, I would take that as an indication that they are getting some poor education from somewhere probably home because children don't come up with that kind of an idea from nowhere.

It is only doing a few countries but on this page you can see that Spain is above both Poland and Russia for negative views.

Unfavorable Views of Jews and Muslims on the Increase in Europe: Overview - Pew Global Attitudes Project

I myself knew that we were getting sky high rates for Islamohpobia in some European countries and that antisemitism was on the rise but not by quite so much.

I'm glad to hear you believe Spain is doing as much as she can about it. I notice the conference was in Madrid so that is certainly an indication that that is so but I think it is something we all need to be aware of.

From a thread in the EU section one Eastern European country, not in the survey is apparently looking set to elect a far right government.

It is as you say extremely important to differentiate between the actions of Israel and of Jews.
 
My understanding of the the terms "left wing" and "right wing" as they apply to European politics is very different from how those terms are employed in the United States.

Yes, my understanding too. Some Americans seem to believe we are socialist. On the net left or leftie seems to be an insult and sometimes it appears that anything left of Nationalist parties is left.

Are the Democrats 'left' in the US? Probably not because I have heard that your most left wing is way more right than our most right wing, (except the BNP.) ;)
 
Yes, my understanding too. Some Americans seem to believe we are socialist. On the net left or leftie seems to be an insult and sometimes it appears that anything left of Nationalist parties is left.

Are the Democrats 'left' in the US? Probably not because I have heard that your most left wing is way more right than our most right wing, (except the BNP.) ;)

In our frame of reference, yes, Democrats lean to the left.

In your frame of reference, they lean less to the right. ;)
 
I am agreeing that there is an alarming rise in Islamophobia in Europe. In addition as the link Tashah gave and the EU study I looked at said both Islamophobia and antisemitism tend to go together. They come from the same mindset.

In Tashah's link Spain was worse for both.
not sure that's right. Anti-semitism is generally far larger, and of a different sort, within Muslim populations in Europe, and that is where we generally see the most violent anti-semitism manifest. The same cannot be said about "Islamophobia", p[articularly its violent manifestations.
 
not sure that's right. Anti-semitism is generally far larger, and of a different sort, within Muslim populations in Europe, and that is where we generally see the most violent anti-semitism manifest. The same cannot be said about "Islamophobia", p[articularly its violent manifestations.


No your wrong. If you look at this report you will see that Islamophobia
is higher than antisemitism and sometimes considerably higher
(UK and US)

Unfavorable Views of Jews and Muslims on the Increase in Europe: Overview - Pew Global Attitudes Project

The same was true in the last EU report I saw and antisemitism tended to be highest in areas where Islamophobia was highest in both reports.
 
No your wrong. If you look at this report you will see that Islamophobia
is higher than antisemitism and sometimes considerably higher
(UK and US)

Unfavorable Views of Jews and Muslims on the Increase in Europe: Overview - Pew Global Attitudes Project

The same was true in the last EU report I saw and antisemitism tended to be highest in areas where Islamophobia was highest in both reports.
Anti-Muslim sentiment is growing and now large with things like Minaret Bans coming down the pipe as people see their culture being Changed.
People are wisely starting to NOT 'Tolerate the intolerant' who would curb speech and other rights.
The Liberalest of the Liberal are getting their heads kicked in from the unwise immigration policies and.. changing them.

But anti-semitism in Europe is growing in good part from the very same Muslims.

Jews have problems in Many places in Europe because OF Muslim bigotry.
You remember!

"Muslim Antisemitism

"Then there is the more general Muslim contribution to antisemitism in Britain, which is growing all the time and has become a significant factor. The exploration of Muslim attitudes in the UK is still in its infancy.
Nevertheless, it appears that close to HALF of British Muslims believe in a Jewish Conspiracy that dominates UK media and politics.

The percentage of Muslim perpetrators of violent antisemitic acts is nearly 10 times greater than the Muslim percentage of the general population....."


Institute for Global Jewish Affairs ? Global Antisemitism, Anti-Israelism, Jewish Studies
While one certainly couldn't say the same about European Jews persecuting Muslims or having such bigoted and bizarre opinions.
If 50% of Muslims have the opinion the Jews Dominate UK politics and it's media... and 100% are intolerant of Gays;
I have no problem with people who DO have a problem with Them. (not a phobia)
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I have just informed Mbig I've encountered a 'multiple threat' message from AVG whilst opening his last link...just to warn users.

Paul
 
I have just informed Mbig I've encountered a 'multiple threat' message from AVG whilst opening his last link...just to warn users.

Paul
Thanks paul. (he and I have PMed about it)

Which is very Odd because no one reported a problem with it first time it was posted .... and on a page you posted on!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...o-tolerance-homosexuality-0-fer-500-a-13.html

and directly above my post of Same was a post of alexa you Thanked.. and you Thanked two of the posts below it as well. You were in that discussion and in it on the next page as well, and even responded to her response to my post.

I didn't like AVG or Avira but they were free. Hardly got any alerts.
Strange.
Maybe some others will report same- with or without AVG. We'll see.
(FYI, I have Kaspersky as my main suite.
but will shut it off occassionally and run spybot and/or 'hitman pro' to see what's missed.)
 
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Anti-Muslim sentiment is growing and now large with things like Minaret Bans coming down the pipe as people see their culture being Changed.
People are wisely starting to NOT 'Tolerate the intolerant' who would curb speech and other rights.
The Liberalest of the Liberal are getting their heads kicked in from the unwise immigration policies and.. changing them.

But anti-semitism in Europe is growing in good part from the very same Muslims.

Jews have problems in Many places in Europe because OF Muslim bigotry.
You remember!


While one certainly couldn't say the same about European Jews persecuting Muslims or having such bigoted and bizarre opinions.
If 50% of Muslims have the opinion the Jews Dominate UK politics and it's media... and 100% are intolerant of Gays;
I have no problem with people who DO have a problem with Them. (not a phobia)
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Here are the most up to date news I could find for the UK

antisemitism

BBC News - Anti-Semitic attacks against Jews 'rise in the UK'


hate crime against Muslims

Media and politicians 'fuel rise in hate crimes against Muslims' | UK news | guardian.co.uk


and due to your own attitude I could not resist these although a bit old

CNN.com - Hate crime reports up in wake of terrorist attacks - September 17, 2001

and this

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/12/world/americas/12iht-islam.html
 
I see some REAL and alarming Numbers for the Hate crimes against Jews (as I posted).. as opposed to the Guardian reporting something or other about an increase.. with No stats.
the Usual fallacious Leftist editorial masquerading as news.


and due to your own attitude I could not resist these although a bit old

CNN.com - Hate crime reports up in wake of terrorist attacks - September 17, 2001
And what is my attitude?
My response when I first heard those reports of Sikhs being attacked, was "Idiots".
Americans don't even know what they're doing (and half can't find France on a map).

and OF COURSE, doesn't even touch the problem of Muslims not just as Victims, but as intolerant perpetrators out of all proportion to their numbers; as I've posted. Anti-semitica, Homophobia, and rampant tribal Conspiracism.
 
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