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Poll: 46% of high-schoolers don't want equality for Arabs

mbig said:
That may have been what you "noticed"/Deflected in this thread, of course, but it's certainly NOT true of Islamic anti-semitsm CJ has been talking about.
And is certainly not a factor in anti-semitism for 1.3 Billion Muslims!

What one can notice worldwide, and in their book, is that Islam, not Islamophobia, and anti-semitism are inate/part of the same belief system.
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Care to explain how you came to your flawed conclusion that all Muslims are antisemitic? Or are you just spewing mindless rhetoric as usual?
 
Degreez said:
Care to explain how you came to your flawed conclusion that all Muslims are antisemitic? Or are you just spewing mindless rhetoric as usual?
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Even for your usual Strawman attempt, don't you think this is a little Ridiculous?

I was merely pointing out to alexa that Islamophobia and and anti-semitism are NOT related in the case of Muslims (of which there are 1.3 Bil), who, of course, are not all antisemitic. She had claimed that the two were handmaidens and I was showing they weren't for Muslims.

Silly try at scoring points with the strawEST man of all time.
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mbig said:
Even for your usual Strawman attempt, don't you think this is a little Ridiculous?

I was merely pointing out to alexa that Islamophobia and and anti-semitism are NOT related in the case of Muslims (of which there are 1.3 Bil), who, of course, are not all antisemitic. She had claimed that the two were handmaidens and I was showing they weren't for Muslims.

Silly try at scoring points with the strawEST man of all time.
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mbig said:
And is certainly not a factor in anti-semitism for 1.3 Billion Muslims!

What one can notice worldwide, and in their book, is that Islam, not Islamophobia, and anti-semitism are inate/part of the same belief system.
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Eat your own words, bigot.
 
Degreez said:

Eat your own words, bigot.
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You need a better handle on the language before you play Gotcha 101.

I was saying to alexa, who posed it in the context responded to, Islamophobia is Not a factor in any/for any of the 1.3 Billion Muslims who Might be anti-semitic, Does not mean, that all 1.3 Billion Muslims ARE anti-semitic.

Even if you don't grasp the language or it's context, to assume (for the sake of "I got him on this absolute/superlative!") someone said ALL 1.3 billion muslims are anti-semitic is not credible. The basest attempt at point scoring.

This from someone who lies daily I'm 'on ignore', only to emerge when, as now, he THINKS he's got something.
This is such a silly game and you're being dishonest to the board as well about my supposed status.
Ignore or don't ignore. But tell the truth and stick to it.
Otherwise we can/do all assume you can't even try and answer everything else I post.
 
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mbig said:
That may have been what you "noticed"/Deflected in this thread, of course, but it's certainly NOT true of Islamic anti-semitsm CJ has been talking about.
And is certainly not a factor in anti-semitism for 1.3 Billion Muslims!

What one can notice worldwide, and in their book, is that Islam, not Islamophobia, and anti-semitism are inate/part of the same belief system.
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Really I understood him to be talking about the situation in Canada.

If you look at the links I provided you will find that Antisemitism and Islamophobia are indeed linked.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
sorry, and now it's my turn to say I'll have to get back to you on a response, but I saw this article which I think is on point:

Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

This sort of creeping revision to the way we do things, against our better judgment, in the name of tolerance, is precisely how that long-term evolution from one society to another, that you rightly pointed is evolutionary vs revolutionary, works.

While dealt with, I recall the situation at the airport in, I think, Minesotta for a few years, where Muslimk cabdrivers refused to carry passengers with alcohol or dogs (even the blind with seeing eye dogs).

That "choice" was respected for far too long.

When you want to have everything, the key is to only take pieces at a time, and never appear like you are trying to grab too much at once.
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The Telegraph picked up this article from the Sunday Mail. The only other place it is printed in by the BNP.

The Mail is notorious for printing stuff which is less than true about Muslims. I suggest you find a more credible source.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Teenagers are, by and large, idiots. Their hormones are all out of whack. They think they know everything, all the while being so ignorant that they don't even know what it is they don't know.

I don't care about poll results amongst teenagers...
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LOLZ! Them's fighting words - I could just as easily say adults are by and large, control freaks. They think they know everything, including what teens are thinking, but they are just a bunch of sad old geezers. And what a great job they have done fecking up the world up to now! :mrgreen:
 
Leo said:
LOLZ! Them's fighting words - I could just as easily say adults are by and large, control freaks. They think they know everything, including what teens are thinking, but they are just a bunch of sad old geezers. And what a great job they have done fecking up the world up to now! :mrgreen:
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Is that what you told your parents when they were out buying you your BMW?:mrgreen:
 
alexa said:
The Telegraph picked up this article from the Sunday Mail. The only other place it is printed in by the BNP.

The Mail is notorious for printing stuff which is less than true about Muslims. I suggest you find a more credible source.
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I beg your pardon CJ20 I did not read all the article.

It says Muslim women will wear disposable sleeves instead of bearing their arms. The UK has for a long time allowed for differences according to faith. It began with Sikhs not needing to wear safety helmets when they were made compulsory on motor bikes.
 
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mbig said:
I was merely pointing out to alexa that Islamophobia and and anti-semitism are NOT related in the case of Muslims (
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Or leftist Europeans and to a slightly lesser degree leftist Americans , for which there is an inverse relationship. It should be rather obvious to anybody with any intelligence at all that any relationship between Antisemitism and "islamophobia" only holds true when considering the extreme right. On the left, however, the reverse is true where antisemitism and "islamophobia" are all but mutually exclusive. The illiberal, antisemitic portion of the left acts as chief apologist for Islamism.
 
alexa said:
I beg your pardon CJ20 I did not read all the article.

It says Muslim women will wear disposable sleeves instead of bearing their arms. The UK has for a long time allowed for differences according to faith. It began with Sikhs not needing to wear safety helmets when they were made compulsory on motor bikes.
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and criticism that this will not work properly. The difference with motorcycle helmets is that the individual is the one to pay the price, the individual is the one who bears the burden of the religious practice.

And that is how it should be. You a Jehovah's witness and think that blood transfusions curse you to eternal damnation? Fine, no need to get blood.

But relaxing hygene rules is dangerous for others, just like not allowing dogs into your cab harms the blind.

Those are impositions on OTHERS, and therefore of a completely different character.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
and criticism that this will not work properly. The difference with motorcycle helmets is that the individual is the one to pay the price, the individual is the one who bears the burden of the religious practice.

And that is how it should be. You a Jehovah's witness and think that blood transfusions curse you to eternal damnation? Fine, no need to get blood.

But relaxing hygene rules is dangerous for others, just like not allowing dogs into your cab harms the blind.

Those are impositions on OTHERS, and therefore of a completely different character.
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Well you would certainly need to prove they were relaxing hygiene rules. They are considered pretty important here. Like I said this was not carried in most papers just the Mail, taken up by the Telegraph and the BNP.

As for the Mail and it's credibility concerning Muslims, we in the UK know it's position but coming from Canada you may not. It is correctly described here

Pickled Politics Daily Mail echoes BNP propaganda
 
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alexa said:
Well you would certainly need to prove they were relaxing hygiene rules. They are considered pretty important here. Like I said this was not carried in most papers just the Mail, taken up by the Telegraph and the BNP.

As for the Mail and it's credibility concerning Muslims, we in the UK know it's position but coming from Canada you may not. It is correctly described here

Pickled Politics Daily Mail echoes BNP propaganda
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So which papers in the UK are Kosher?

And for the record, I am routinely appaled by the Guardian, so you should probably just keep it off the list.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
So which papers in the UK are Kosher?

And for the record, I am routinely appaled by the Guardian, so you should probably just keep it off the list.
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Then do some research. The generally accepted better calibre of Newspapers would I think be the Times, The Observer, The Independent and The Guardian. They are generally accepted to be less likely to just be printing porkeys, though all newspapers have values which will be in them. It is quite impossible for people not to have values.

Concerning Muslims The Mail is the worst which is why I mentioned it. If a story is said to come from the Mail then I would always check it first and you can get some good stories from the Mail, they just are a bit thin on the ground.

Do you not usually check to see whether stories are real anyway?
 
alexa said:
Then do some research. The generally accepted better calibre of Newspapers would I think be the Times, The Observer, The Independent and The Guardian. They are generally accepted to be less likely to just be printing porkeys, though all newspapers have values which will be in them. It is quite impossible for people not to have values.

Concerning Muslims The Mail is the worst which is why I mentioned it. If a story is said to come from the Mail then I would always check it first and you can get some good stories from the Mail, they just are a bit thin on the ground.

Do you not usually check to see whether stories are real anyway?
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yes, and the Telegraph seems like a fine paper, while the Guardian is a leftist pandering rag.

In my opion, at least (which is shared by many).

And the telegraph, with its fancy logo designed to be similar to the NYT, seems beyond reputable from a looking at online stories POV. Was I supposed to assume it was equivalent to the national enquiror? It is certainly better than the Guardian, in any event.

And this is the whole problem. By discountintg media that offer critical views that you do not like to hear, and by entrenching the PC bias in traditional media that are more concerned with "sensitivity" than truth, you can comfortably live in your bubble free from any idea of what is going on in the workld around you.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
yes, and the Telegraph seems like a fine paper, while the Guardian is a leftist pandering rag.

In my opion, at least (which is shared by many).

And the telegraph, with its fancy logo designed to be similar to the NYT, seems beyond reputable from a looking at online stories POV. Was I supposed to assume it was equivalent to the national enquiror? It is certainly better than the Guardian, in any event.
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I just go by what is generally accepted to be more reliable and who I personally have found to be most likely to tell the truth.

I was on a website last year frequented by BNP people. They would print articles usually from the Mail. A very similar article would then routinely appear on the Express, Telegraph and others.

I myself don't like believing lies but....
 
alexa said:
I just go by what is generally accepted to be more reliable and who I personally have found to be most likely to tell the truth.

I was on a website last year frequented by BNP people. They would print articles usually from the Mail. A very similar article would then routinely appear on the Express, Telegraph and others.

I myself don't like believing lies but....
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and this is a problem. it is how PC mentalities infest free societies and cause a fundamental failure to describer reality as it exists.

Cause if no one says the emperor has no clothes, he must be fully clothed.

Now I am, to be sure, no expert on the political leanings of various British media. I know most newspapers are populist, agitating junk (either of the elft wing or right wing varieties, pandering is universal). But In all my random google readings of British articles, I have never seen the telegraph and had it jump out at me as a disreputable paper. Like I said, I am much more troubled with the agitation and tripe coming out of the Guardian, which as you say is reputable enough.
 
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and sorry, are you saying this is not true?

I know proving a negative is hard and I shouldn't ask for you to do it, but if you could show me that this article is unfounded (it did have a quote from a random un-named spokesperson from NHS) that would be very useful for me in forming my own opinion about the "truthiness" of the Telegraph.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
and this is a problem. it is how PC mentalities infest free societies and cause a fundamental failure to describer reality as it exists.

Cause if no one says the emperor has no clothes, he must be fully clothed.

Now I am, to be sure, no expert on the political leanings of various media. I know most newspapers are populist, agitating junk (either of the elft wing or right wing varieties, pandering is universal). But In all my random google readings of British articles, I have never seen the telegraph and had it jump out at me as a disreputable paper. Like I said, I am much more troubled with the agitation and tripe coming out of the Guardian, which as you say is reputable enough.
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Well if reading lies is what you want, be my guest. Just do not expect me or anyone else who knows the Mail to take you seriously.
 
alexa said:
Well if reading lies is what you want, be my guest. Just do not expect me or anyone else who knows the Mail to take you seriously.
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sorry, I didn't read the Mail. Are the two publications affiliated?
 
CJ 2.0 said:
yes, and the Telegraph seems like a fine paper, while the Guardian is a leftist pandering rag.
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Indeed.

At one time I was one of the Admins at the largest private chat room on MSN. About 10,000 member and guest visits per day. Then one day MSN decided to shut down all of its chat servers, ostensibly because of problems with pedophiles.

I looked for something else to do and decided to join an online message board. At that time, The Guardian had a political forum and so I joined up. Don't know if they still have this feature.

What a miserable experience lol. The place was packed with Euro-Leftists who took an immediate dislike to this Jewish American/Israeli girl. They gleefully pounded on me every day and in every way. I stayed for about a year. A thoroughly crappy experience, but it toughened me up considerably.

I went looking for a better venue and discovered Debate Politics. I lurked for about a month and then joined up. Barely five months after joining, I was asked to be a Moderator here. I eventually became an Administrator here at DP.

I've never forgotten how terrible things were at the Guardian forum. One of my major goals here at DP was to ensure that this forum would never devolve into another leftist (or rightest) cesspool ala the Guardian.
 
I hold a possibly unpopular opinion.

I don't want equality for Muslims either. Just last week a 13 year-old girl died from vaginal bleeding shortly after her forced marriage. When Muslims take to the street to protest such things in the same force as they do when someone draws a cartoon depicting their Prophet, then they can join the rest of the global society in deserving equal treatment. Until then, they can cry me a river. They've earned every ounce of intolerance that comes there way.
 
Tashah said:
I went looking for a better venue and discovered Debate Politics. I lurked for about a month and then joined up. Barely five months after joining, I was asked to be a Moderator here. I eventually became an Administrator here at DP.

I've never forgotten how terrible things were at the Guardian forum. One of my major goals here at DP was to ensure that this forum would never devolve into another leftist (or rightest) cesspool ala the Guardian.
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Thanks to Tashah, I checked out and joined DP.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
sorry, I didn't read the Mail. Are the two publications affiliated?
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The article you quoted was from the mail even if it was in the Telegraph. As I said, due to being on a forum last year with a lot of BNP supporters I got very used to the daily round of articles from the Mail many of which were then printed in the Telegraph and the Express.

If you quote a Telegraph article it may very easily be really a Mail one as was the last one you printed so yes you did read the Mail.
 
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