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An excellent kill

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What is the problem?
This isn't even 'extra-judicial'.
Israel is in a HOT War with Hamas and Hamas is firing Live rounds at Israel.
You don't serve subpoenas to your enemy in war time.
This guy was a Hamas founder who was sending those weapons, and had some previous culpability as well.
A clean operation ensuring less collateral damage than drones we're using and no mistaken identity.
Israelis risking their asses in an Arab country no less.

An excellent kill
Behind the Hamas-honcho hit
By BENNY AVNI
February 19, 2010
Dubai Police Chief walks reporters through video footage of assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - NYPOST.com

It looked a bit like a low-budget Jason Bourne movie, but it was real:
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Almost everyone thinks it was the Mossad, of course; the operation was that smooth. It took the Dubai police 11 days to even determine that Mabhouh didn't die of natural causes -- and they're still not sure whether he was electrocuted, poisoned, strangled or all of the above. And the assassination team had left the country before anyone even knew he was dead.
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Mabhouh was a terror bigwig. A Hamas founder, he escaped Gaza 20 years ago after Israel tried to kill him for his role in kidnapping and killing two soldiers. He then became Hamas' top foreign-arms dealer, securing the flow of missiles and rockets from Iran to the strip. That, it's generally thought, is what moved him to the top of the Mossad's target list.
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Once an able intelligence agency identifies and locates the target, Ganor says, you can drop a bomb on his head or use a drone, for a slightly more accurate assassination. But none of those methods is as effective as a daring operation, like the one in Dubai, in ensuring that the only casualty is the high-value target and that no civilians are endangered. .....
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Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - was a high-value target. Israel claims that 20 years ago, Mabhouh kidnapped and killed two Israeli soldiers. Mabhouh founded the armed wing of Hamas (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam). Israeli security officials also say that Mabhouh was the main Hamas conduit for Iranian weaponry. The “unusual weapons” that Hamas possessed and used during the Israeli incursion into Gaza in 2009 were allegedly acquired from Iran by Mabhouh. He also acquired longer range missiles capable of hitting Israeli coastal cities. The weapons convoy that was destroyed by Israeli jets in Sudan is also said to have been a Mabhouh/Iran operation.

Via surveillance, Israeli security apparently were aware that Mabhouh either met with Iranians (IRG) in Dubai, or entered Iran directly from Dubai. Mabhouh - the main weapon's-procurer for Hamas - was once again in Dubai. Whatever his mission was, he would not live long enough to complete it this time.

So far, it seems that 17 people were directly involved in the Dubai hit on Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Passports (stolen identities) from the UK, Ireland, France, and Germany were used. It also appears that the group used Austrian SIM cards for mobile-phone communications. From what I understand, information exchanged between these mobile-phones was encrypted. All non-Arab operatives arrived in Dubai the day before the assassination.

One high ranking Hamas security official (Nahro Massoud - arrested and being questioned in Damascus) and two Palestinians (extradited from Jordan to the United Arab Emirates) belonging to Fatah are among the 17 suspects.

The remaining suspects (including two women) are supposedly all Israeli and Mossad operatives. CCTV video indicates that 4 individuals comprised the hit-team. Cause of death is suffocation. The 4 person hit-team allegedly rode the elevator with Mabhouh to confirm his room number, and then rented a room (cash) directly across from his. When Mabhouh left his suite, the operatives gained entrance via an electrical device and waited for his return. They spent only ten minutes total in the room (exquisite timing :shock:). All operatives (hit-team and surveillance) left the Al-Bustan Rotana Hotel within 20 minutes of each other and fled Dubai shortly thereafter, heading to various airports in Europe and Asia.

At face value, I strongly suspect that this was indeed a Mossad operation. It seems to me that - “some security agency” - has penetrated the highest echelon of Hamas and was able to obtain the specific Dubai itinerary of Mabhouh. It is unknown what part the two Fatah operatives played in this. Were they “turned”, or was Fatah a willing partner in this assassination?

Technically, it was a brilliant operation... except for the passport fiasco which may well turn this into a political disaster.

This caper seems to have everything; Israelis, Palestinians, men, women, stolen passports, wigs, fake beards, violence, and international intrigue. It will be interesting indeed to see how this all plays out.

:popcorn2:
 
This caper seems to have everything; Israelis, Palestinians, men, women, stolen passports, wigs, fake beards, violence, and international intrigue. It will be interesting indeed to see how this all plays out.
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Yes!

(please pass the popcorn)
 
***** The unknown 17 Israeli's based on photo's are now listed in Interpol warrants. It occured to me to ask if EVER any PLO, Fatah,Hamas, Hizbollah, Party of God or Iranian Revolutinary Guard or AQ type has ever been on an Interpol warrant ????
 
Zinc Route said:
***** The unknown 17 Israeli's based on photo's are now listed in Interpol warrants. It occured to me to ask if EVER any PLO, Fatah,Hamas, Hizbollah, Party of God or Iranian Revolutinary Guard or AQ type has ever been on an Interpol warrant ????
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A good question.
 
Zinc Route said:
The unknown 17 Israeli's based on photo's are now listed in Interpol warrants. It occured to me to ask if EVER any PLO, Fatah,Hamas, Hizbollah, Party of God or Iranian Revolutinary Guard or AQ type has ever been on an Interpol warrant ????
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Interpol has issued “Red Warrants” for 11 unknown individuals.

Their passport pics are available at Interpol and at news websites such as Ha'aretz, JP, CBS, MSN, Fox, etc.

I can't recall ever seeing an Interpol warrant for individuals from any of the organizations listed in your post above.
 
I can't recall ever seeing an Interpol warrant for individuals from any of the organizations listed in your post above.
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I don't know, I didn't go through all the pages, but surely among the 600+ people listed here there are at least one or two from some of those groups? It mentions here that they are issued when an individual government requests them. I don't really picture the Israeli government using Interpol (could be wrong).

Kate
 
filfilksq said:
I don't know, I didn't go through all the pages, but surely among the 600+ people listed here there are at least one or two from some of those groups? It mentions here that they are issued when an individual government requests them. I don't really picture the Israeli government using Interpol (could be wrong).

Kate
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You aren't wrong.

The only times that Israel has requested the aid of the Interpol, as I recall, were against the drug industry.
 
Tashah said:
Mahmoud al-Mabhouh - was a high-value target. Israel claims that 20 years ago, Mabhouh kidnapped and killed two Israeli soldiers. Mabhouh founded the armed wing of Hamas (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam). Israeli security officials also say that Mabhouh was the main Hamas conduit for Iranian weaponry. The “unusual weapons” that Hamas possessed and used during the Israeli incursion into Gaza in 2009 were allegedly acquired from Iran by Mabhouh. He also acquired longer range missiles capable of hitting Israeli coastal cities. The weapons convoy that was destroyed by Israeli jets in Sudan is also said to have been a Mabhouh/Iran operation.

Via surveillance, Israeli security apparently were aware that Mabhouh either met with Iranians (IRG) in Dubai, or entered Iran directly from Dubai. Mabhouh - the main weapon's-procurer for Hamas - was once again in Dubai. Whatever his mission was, he would not live long enough to complete it this time.

So far, it seems that 17 people were directly involved in the Dubai hit on Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Passports (stolen identities) from the UK, Ireland, France, and Germany were used. It also appears that the group used Austrian SIM cards for mobile-phone communications. From what I understand, information exchanged between these mobile-phones was encrypted. All non-Arab operatives arrived in Dubai the day before the assassination.

One high ranking Hamas security official (Nahro Massoud - arrested and being questioned in Damascus) and two Palestinians (extradited from Jordan to the United Arab Emirates) belonging to Fatah are among the 17 suspects.

The remaining suspects (including two women) are supposedly all Israeli and Mossad operatives. CCTV video indicates that 4 individuals comprised the hit-team. Cause of death is suffocation. The 4 person hit-team allegedly rode the elevator with Mabhouh to confirm his room number, and then rented a room (cash) directly across from his. When Mabhouh left his suite, the operatives gained entrance via an electrical device and waited for his return. They spent only ten minutes total in the room (exquisite timing :shock:). All operatives (hit-team and surveillance) left the Al-Bustan Rotana Hotel within 20 minutes of each other and fled Dubai shortly thereafter, heading to various airports in Europe and Asia.

At face value, I strongly suspect that this was indeed a Mossad operation. It seems to me that - “some security agency” - has penetrated the highest echelon of Hamas and was able to obtain the specific Dubai itinerary of Mabhouh. It is unknown what part the two Fatah operatives played in this. Were they “turned”, or was Fatah a willing partner in this assassination?

Technically, it was a brilliant operation... except for the passport fiasco which may well turn this into a political disaster.

This caper seems to have everything; Israelis, Palestinians, men, women, stolen passports, wigs, fake beards, violence, and international intrigue. It will be interesting indeed to see how this all plays out.

:popcorn2:
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Why did they choose to assassinate him now? I read he had been captured and released several times after the murder of the two soldiers, so it must be something else
 
Just for the fun of it I searched the Interpol lists for bin Laden and he's in there:

BIN LADEN, USAMA

I found it interesting that in addition to the US there are arrest warrants for him in Spain and Libya. There are some other al-Qa'ida folks listed along with him.
 
In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict he was indeed a legitimate target. As are members of the Israeli government for Hamas.

Paul
 
bub said:
Why did they choose to assassinate him now? I read he had been captured and released several times after the murder of the two soldiers, so it must be something else
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He has probably taken on a bigger role in the terrorist organization since he was banished to Damascus by Israel.
 
gunner said:
In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict he was indeed a legitimate target. As are members of the Israeli government for Hamas.

Paul
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And as are members of the British government for al-Qaeda.
 
gunner said:
In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict he was indeed a legitimate target. As are members of the Israeli government for Hamas.

Paul
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Though why not just get the UAE to extradite him? Its a pretty pro-western regime (in the sense of its being The West's bitch like most of the gulf states). I cant fault the Isrealis for killing the guy, but i think both the UAE and the UK have a right to be pissed off. Also this case illustrates how some states can get away with things that others cant. What would happen if Cuba assassinated some of the Cuban terrorists based in Miami?
 
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Red_Dave said:
Though why not just get the UAE to extradite him? Its a pretty pro-western regime (in the sense of its being The West's bitch like most of the gulf states).
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The UAE government is quite anti-Israeli.
 
Red_Dave said:
I cant fault the Isrealis for killing the guy, but i think both the UAE and the UK have a right to be pissed off. Also this case illustrates how some states can get away with things that others cant. What would happen if Cuba assassinated some of the Cuban terrorists based in Miami?
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What would happen if America would have assassinated an al-Qaeda operative in the UAE, is something I'm more interested in knowing.
 
Hats off to Mossad for scoring a good kill. This is how you fight Islamic terrorism.
 
I fully support assassination as an better alternative to warfare. It avoids massive amounts of collateral damage and gets people who are actually responsible for political choices that cause conflict in the first place. Of course it works both ways, so Israeli politicians are valid target as well. The whole Hamas/Israel conflict would be much better if a few leaders from each side got killed every year rather than bombings and airstrikes.
 
rathi said:
I fully support assassination as an better alternative to warfare. It avoids massive amounts of collateral damage and gets people who are actually responsible for political choices that cause conflict in the first place. Of course it works both ways, so Israeli politicians are valid target as well. The whole Hamas/Israel conflict would be much better if a few leaders from each side got killed every year rather than bombings and airstrikes.
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Of course, just as it would be legitimate for al-Qaeda to kill Barack Obama.
In fact according to you it would be better.
 
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