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The Mohammed al-Dura HOAX/Blood Libel

Apocalypse said:
Give me your source for that one, again?
If he had reached the shoot to kill level in the rules of engagement procedure, it's only reasonable that he would do a killing confirmation.
That's how things are done in the army. :roll:
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Iman walked past her school with her satchel over her shoulder, crossed the road and climbed down a small sandy bank to an area that was an olive and citrus orchard until the army's bulldozers flattened it in April. She had entered the "forbidden zone" next to the watchtower where any Palestinian risks being shot.

The schoolgirl kept on walking toward the tower but was still several hundred metres away when two shots caught her in the leg. She dropped her bag, turned, tried to hobble away, and fell.

Four or five soldiers emerged from the army post and shot at her from a distance. Palestinian witnesses and some Israeli soldiers say that the platoon commander moved in closer to put two bullets in the child's head. They say that he then walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body.

Israeli unit commander is cleared of Palestinian pupil's death | World news | The Guardian
 
Apocalypse, your problem is that, you will never accept even one single crime by an Israeli soldier even if you personally witness it.

I am sure that if you happen to be on a murder scene, if it involves an israeli soldier, you will blame it on some kind of a hallucination.

Either that, or you are too proud to admit that you were wrong.

I rest my case.
 
Mira said:
Iman walked past her school with her satchel over her shoulder, crossed the road and climbed down a small sandy bank to an area that was an olive and citrus orchard until the army's bulldozers flattened it in April. She had entered the "forbidden zone" next to the watchtower where any Palestinian risks being shot.

The schoolgirl kept on walking toward the tower but was still several hundred metres away when two shots caught her in the leg. She dropped her bag, turned, tried to hobble away, and fell.

Four or five soldiers emerged from the army post and shot at her from a distance. Palestinian witnesses and some Israeli soldiers say that the platoon commander moved in closer to put two bullets in the child's head. They say that he then walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body.

Israeli unit commander is cleared of Palestinian pupil's death | World news | The Guardian
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Mira said:
None of that justifies the fact that the girl dropped her school bag to the ground, started to run away and was shot in the leg and Captain R then moved toward her and shot 2 bullets in her head, then turned around, switched his rifle to automatic mode and riddled her body with bullets.
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The differences between a witness report and a claim for a fact.

As you can see, the guardian has done well to mention it is a witness account before they brought the line, while you have simply told it as if it was part of the story.
It happens so many times when it comes to those incidents that it's simply bizarre.

So I take it that you were a journalist?
 
Mira said:
Apocalypse, your problem is that, you will never accept even one single crime by an Israeli soldier even if you personally witness it.

I am sure that if you happen to be on a murder scene, if it involves an israeli soldier, you will blame it on some kind of a hallucination.

Either that, or you are too proud to admit that you were wrong.

I rest my case.
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Group: Soldier shot bound Palestinian with rubber bullet - CNN.com

This soldier has broken the law.

I rest my case.
 
Apocalypse said:
The differences between a witness report and a claim for a fact.

As you can see, the guardian has done well to mention it is a witness account before they brought the line, while you have simply told it as if it was part of the story.
It happens so many times when it comes to those incidents that it's simply bizarre.

So I take it that you were a journalist?
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From the very beginning I quoted the article of the Guardian, and my citing of the sequence of events was based on the article that I posted.

You are contradicting yourself when you first say that you do not believe witness accounts and then you post an article in Hebrew which supposedly says (according to witnesses) that the girl threw her bag INTO the outpost.

Do your google search and find more articles.
 
Mira said:
From the very beginning I quoted the article of the Guardian, and my citing of the sequence of events was based on the article that I posted.

You are contradicting yourself when you first say that you do not believe witness accounts and then you post an article in Hebrew which supposedly says (according to witnesses) that the girl threw her bag INTO the outpost.
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Your mistake, it was not according to witnesses, it was according to the IDF's report.
And again, it wasn't controversial.
 
Apocalypse said:
Your mistake, it was not according to witnesses, it was according to the IDF's report.
And again, it wasn't controversial.
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Here's one more for the road:

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza girl death officer cleared

Without revealing their identities, soldiers from the Givati brigade platoon told Israeli television how their officer sprayed Iman al-Hams with automatic gunfire on 5 October in the Tel Sultan neighbourhood of Rafah - a restricted area near Gaza's border with Egypt.


"We saw her from a distance of 70m. She was fired at ... from the outpost. She fled and was wounded," a soldier said.

While Iman was lying, wounded or dead, about 70m from the Israeli guard post, the platoon commander approached her and fired two bullets from close range at her head, the soldiers said.

He then went back a second time, put his weapon on the automatic setting and - ignoring their objections on the walkie-talkie - emptied his entire magazine into her body.
 
Have there been abuses by Israelis? Certainly-- and lots of Trials.
In 9 years of the Arab-Started Intifada/War gotta happen.

But of course it's the Palestinians who Target civilians as policy.
Hamas fires rockets daily not an any military base.
And Trials?!?!.. for killing 2-30 Israeli Civilians you can get a Street named after you in Gaza City or the West Bank.
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mbig said:
for killing 2-30 Israeli Civilians you can get a Street named after you in Gaza City or the West Bank.
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and nothing but admiration from trolls who are not who they say they are, and who like to change the subject matter of internet discussions in order to pursue their agenda.
 
mbig said:
Have there been abuses by Israelis? Certainly-- and lots of Trials.
In 9 years of the Arab-Started Intifada/War gotta happen.

But of course it's the Palestinians who Target civilians as policy.
Hamas fires rockets daily not an any military base.
And Trials?!?!.. for killing 2-30 Israeli Civilians you can get a Street named after you in Gaza City or the West Bank.
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And just show me exactly where I have justified that .

But your friend has no trouble either justifying or denying the cold-blooded murder of a 13 year-old school girl.
 
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Gardener said:
and nothing but admiration from trolls who are not who they say they are, and who like to change the subject matter of internet discussions in order to pursue their agenda.
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As I said before, I am who I say I am and whether you believe me or not is the very least of my concerns.

By reading your posts, I get the feeling that you're not much older than 12. You still need to prove that you're an adult.
 
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Mira said:
As I said before, I am who I say I am and whether you believe me or not is the very least of my concerns.

By reading your posts, I get the feeling that you're not much older than 12. You still need to prove that you're an adult.
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Let's just say I am old enough to recognize trolling when I see it.
 
Gardener said:
Let's just say I am old enough to recognize trolling when I see it.
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Funny, my 13 year-old son said the exact same thing a while ago.
 
Mira said:
Funny, my 13 year-old son said the exact same thing a while ago.
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You are such an obvious troll he had to say it twice?
 
Gardener said:
You are such an obvious troll he had to say it twice?
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No, I am not a troll, I am a monster who eats little kids like you. Watch out :eek:
 
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Okay, enough of this muck.
 
So let's get back to the main subject which is the video of Mohammed Al-Dura.

The Israeli officials first admitted the killing and apologised. Then the IDF proceeded in destroying the wall against which Al-Dura was allegedly shot, thus eliminating 95% of the evidence. Without the wall, there is no way to tell from which direction the bullets were shot.

Then according to eyewitnesses at the scene, the whole incident is suspected of being a set up.

In the case of Iman Al-Hams, Apocalypse insists that the accounts of witnesses might be false. The fact that several accounts of witnesses including the soldiers at the scene and the presence of a tape of the radio conversation, coincide to back the scenario, is not enough evidence (according to Apocalypse)

So why are the witnesses in the Al-Dura incident credible and not the ones in the Al-Hams incident ?

We should either dismiss both cases as unresolved or believe the witnesses from both stories.

This also applies of course in every single court case where witnesses have testified. Therefore we should release a large majority of prisoners.

edit: following that kind of logic, we can also take into serious consideration every single conspiracy theory.
 
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