bub

108 countries have signed this treaty (among which all Europe). Then there are also Yougoslavia and Rwanda that have been judged this way.

So, it's the contrary of what you said: Israel is not the only Westernized that would be "investigated and hounded", Israel and the USA are the only Western nations that refuse the jurisdiction of the ICC

I've never heard of Spain bombing the Basque Country with phosphore or UK using heavy artillery against the IRA

But yeah, the Russians and the Chineses show less restraint, so I guess it's OK



Spreading the blame around


You confuse the ICC with the UN

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Apocalypse

I've never heard that the IRA or the Basque hit Spain/UK with rockets on a daily basis.

And how the **** do you bomb something with phosphorous?
Do you know anything about the subjects you debate on?

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Tashah

Really? Then why has no NATO nation been investigated or charged with war crimes in Afghanistan? I can easily post dozens of accounts of civilians being killed by NATO bombs, artillery, and bullets.

Are the Basque's rocketing Madrid daily? Did the IRA send missiles into any British city on a daily basis? Nice try bub, but no cigar.

Show me even one ICC charge against NATO forces per Afghanistan. That war has been going on for nearly a decade. Yet, nada, zero, zilch. Not even a sniff of a war crimes charge. Another abject failure.

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ETA has killed over 800 people in around 20 years
The Hamas has killed 480 people between 1994 and 2005

that looks quite comparable


More than you it seems

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Only if you take the endangering of over 800,000 lives in southern Israel on a daily basis as absolutely nothing.
Every day before the Gaza operation, civilians in southern Israel had to stop everything they're doing and run to the shelters because some terror monkey has decided to launch a rocket at them.
The IRA and ETA only hit once in a long time.
"White phosphorus (WP) is a flare".
A flare, not a bomb, bub, a flare.
I don't understand what are you even doing here if you show no knowledge of absolutely nothing.

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Tashah

Bub knows absolutely nothing about real warfare. No service, no training, no experience whatsoever. His forté is Wikipedia warfare. Strange days indeed

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bub

Most of the military actions are done by the USA (thus if there is a war crime, they are likely to be the ones who do it) and indeed there seem to have been war crimes commited by Americans (granai incident for example) but since the USA have not signed the ICC treaty, they can't be judged.

The death tolls are comparable

Explained above, the USA did not sign the ICC treaty


So, what was your point?

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Tashah

To pull your cranium out of Wikipedia and sample the real world if that is at all possible. God I hate pseudo-intellectual lawyers

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bub

Wrong, most of the victims of the Hamas have been killed by bus bombings, which is the same method that has been used by the ETA.


- Don't be so personal
- call it a bomb, a flare or a flower, it is still extremely dangerous and should not be used in ubran aeras, which was my point

Does the use of weapons containing white phosphorous, in particular incendiary weapons, in a populated area give rise to any specific humanitarian concerns?

Yes. White phosphorous weapons spread burning phosphorous, which burns at over 800 degrees centigrade (about 1,500 degrees fahrenheit), over a wide area, up to several hundred square metres. The burning will continue until the phosphorous has been completely depleted or until it no longer is exposed to oxygen. The weapon has a potential to cause particularly horrific and painful injuries or slow painful death. Medical personnel must be specially trained to treat such injuries and may themselves be exposed to phosphorous burns. If used against military targets in or near populated areas, weapons containing this substance must be used with extreme caution to prevent civilian casualties.

Phosphorous weapons ? the ICRC's view

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bub

Nothing to answer so you start using add homs? I believed mods were expected to live up to a higher standard

Stop behaving like that or I'll report your posts

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