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Old 08-15-09, 11:33 AM   #41
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Re: Should a white flag be recognised?

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I am unaware of us (UK) having committed war crimes. There have been a few trials for some soldiers but I am unaware of any 'war crimes' as such.....
Well let's see...

UK should face court for crimes in Iraq, say jurists | UK news | The Guardian
Pinter demands war crimes trial for Blair | World news | guardian.co.uk
Call to investigate Britain for Iraq war crimes
http://www.irak.be/ned/missies/medic...0in%20Iraq.pdf
Uk War Crimes In Iraq — Blogs, Pictures, and more on WordPress
Three UK soldiers in Iraq charged with war crimes - : news, world | euronews
BBC NEWS | UK | British soldier admits war crime
Kidnap and torture: new claims of Army war crimes in Iraq - Crime, UK - The Independent
Iraq War Crimes

Hypocrisy is a fine word, don't you think?
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Old 08-15-09, 11:39 AM   #42
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Re: Should a white flag be recognised?

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are we not discussing Israel? Were we not discussing Israel and war crimes?
I rub your nose in the double-standard and you still can't smell it

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Old 08-15-09, 11:41 AM   #43
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Re: Should a white flag be recognised?

Yes, there have been individual soldiers and groups of soldiers who have been charged and there has been demands from this country itself for inquiries into it from the beginning. Something which we are now having and which people are concerned may be a white wash.

However unlike the US and Israel as far as I am aware there is nothing to stop the UN from bringing the UK to trial so a great deal of the furore against the UK in this instance comes from the UK itself. I think all your links for example are from the UK. This war did not have the support of most of the UK people.

Britain has signed up for treaties. There is no reason not to take the UK to court if there is a valid reason.

In the meantime it is the citizens of the UK who are trying to get some justice over this.
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I rub your nose in the double-standard and you still can't smell it

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Oh, I certainly noticed what you were trying to do. I just decided to ignore a flame.

There is no rubbing of noses, there is just someone being silly.
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Old 08-15-09, 11:46 AM   #45
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Britain has signed up for treaties. There is no reason not to take the UK to court if there is a valid reason.
I agree, so why aren't anyone bringing justice upon the UK?
Why are there no charges?
What is so special about the UK?
The answer is, agenda.
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Oh, I certainly noticed what you were trying to do. I just decided to ignore a flame.

There is no rubbing of noses, there is just someone being silly.
And that someone's nickname has 2 A's one E and one L, and he's not Apocalypse.
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Re: Should a white flag be recognised?

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I agree, so why aren't anyone bringing justice upon the UK?
Why are there no charges?
What is so special about the UK?
The answer is, agenda.
I doubt it.

If you take the first link you will see

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t also said Britain was complicit in the actions of the US military, including the killing of international journalists.
UK should face court for crimes in Iraq, say jurists | UK news | The Guardian

It has crossed my mind that it could have to do with not being able to bring the US to trial.

We have though thankfully now banned cluster bombs.
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You didn't answer my question.
Who investigates the Afghanistan or Iraq wars?
Not the International Criminal Court since the USA decided not be held responsible for their war crimes (like China, Russia or Saudi Arabia), but it should be this court.

It is the same for Israel.
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Where are these UN calls for submissions alexa?

UN Fact Finding Mission on Iraq War
UN Fact Finding Mission on War In Afghanistan
UN Fact Finding Mission on Sierra Leone
UN Fact Finding Mission on Myanmar
UN Fact Finding Mission on Sudan
UN Fact Finding Mission on Congo
UN Fact Finding Mission on Ossetia
UN Fact Finding Mission on Chechnya
UN Fact Finding Mission on Somalia
You're right, the UN is not unbiased. Look at the countries who have veto rights, these are the ones who produce most of the bias IMO.

Since Russia got the veto right, you won't find any resolution about Chechnya or Ossetia.

But the bias is not only against Israel, the USA have vetoed several UN resolutions against Israel.

Still, an international court like the ICC, with judges coming from all over the world, is likely to be less biased than judges who have the same nationality than the accused war criminals.
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Still, an international court like the ICC, with judges coming from all over the world, is likely to be less biased than judges who have the same nationality than the accused war criminals.
When everyone is equally liable for the war crimes dock, then so be it. But until that day, I see no sustainable reason why Israel should be the only Westernized nation to be investigated and hounded. No able-nation would have shown the restraint of Israel and waited years to respond to daily rocket attacks on her citizens.

Indeed, if the wonderful UN had put even half the energy of its post-war Gaza investigation into pre-war castigation and condemnation of the Hamas rocket attacks, no Israeli invasion would have transpired. What you have here is a United Nations that is investigating events that would not have occured sans the failures of the United Nations itself.

The United Nations fails on both ends. On the prologue end it fails to arbitrate disputes honestly and thus prevent warfare. On the epilogue end it fails to hold all nations equally accountable for the warfare it failed to prevent on the prologue end. An abysmal failure from one end to the other.
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