Should a white flag be recognised?

Apocalypse · 08-15-09, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bub

it's easy to deny everything you don't like

It's also easy to make a toast but what does that has to do with anything?
I was showing why Blunt's(and perhaps yours too) claim that this has happened is far from being a fact.

bub · 08-15-09, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse

It's also easy to make a toast but what does that has to do with anything?
I was showing why Blunt's(and perhaps yours too) claim that this has happened is far from being a fact.

you didn't say "it is far from being a fact" you said "it did not happen", bolding "Human Right Watch". I guessed you do not consider HRW as a valid source

Apocalypse · 08-15-09, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bub

you didn't say "it is far from being a fact" you said "it did not happen", bolding "Human Right Watch". I guessed you do not consider HRW as a valid source

Unless you can prove me that it happened it is currently in a stance of 'non existence'.

An object that is not proved is a non-existing object.
A person that was not found guilty is an innocent.

Blunt · 08-15-09, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse

I was showing why Blunt's(and perhaps yours too) claim that this has happened is far from being a fact.

Not My claim, Human Rights Watch´s Claim

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Israeli soldiers battling Hamas militants last winter in Gaza opened fire on at least seven groups of Palestinian civilians who were carrying white flags, killing 11 people, according to a Human Rights Watch report released Thursday.

During the three-week conflict, the U.S.-based human rights group says, Israeli soldiers in separate parts of Gaza killed five women, four children and two men as they used white flags to try to escape the battle zone.

"The Israeli military needs to investigate," said Fred Abrahams, a Human Rights Watch investigator who conducted research in Gaza on some of the cases. "We want the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) to get to the bottom of it."

Report: Israeli troops fired on Gazans waving white flags - World AP - MiamiHerald.com
An investigation is warranted

bub · 08-15-09, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocalypse

Unless you can prove me that it happened it is currently in a stance of 'non existence'.

An object that is not proved is a non-existing object.
A person that was not found guilty is an innocent.

it's not a reason to say that it has not happened and to dismiss HRW

Tashah · 08-15-09, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Blunt

....according to a Human Rights Watch report released Thursday.

Let's see now. By self-admission, Hamas just isolated a city (Rafah) of 80,000 civilians. Declared it a military zone. Attacked a mosque with mortars and militia. At least 22 dead (including an 11 year old girl) and 150 wounded. Yet not a single solitary word from HRW or any of the other wonderful international monitor organizations within Gaza.

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Originally Posted by Blunt

An investigation is warranted

I agree. They are clearly either biased or incompetent.

Apocalypse · 08-15-09, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Let's see now. By self-admission, Hamas just isolated a city (Rafah) of 80,000 civilians. Declared it a military zone. Attacked a mosque with mortars and militia. At least 22 dead (including an 11 year old girl) and 150 wounded. Yet not a single solitary word from HRW or any of the other wonderful international monitor organizations within Gaza.

Also not a word from Blunt.
One could only assume then that it is not about the caring for the Palestinians but rather the hatred towards Israel.

Blunt · 08-15-09, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Let's see now. By self-admission, Hamas just isolated a city (Rafah) of 80,000 civilians. Declared it a military zone. Attacked a mosque with mortars and militia. At least 22 dead (including an 11 year old girl) and 150 wounded. Yet not a single solitary word from HRW or any of the other wonderful international monitor organizations within Gaza.

This is breaking news there may be a statement by HRW, after their normally careful investigation and gathering of witness statements

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Originally Posted by Tashah

I agree. They are clearly either biased or incompetent.

I wouldn´t go as far as to call the IDF ¨incompetent¨
but Biased I would agree with

bub · 08-15-09, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Let's see now. By self-admission, Hamas just isolated a city (Rafah) of 80,000 civilians. Declared it a military zone. Attacked a mosque with mortars and militia. At least 22 dead (including an 11 year old girl) and 150 wounded.

Sad for the girl

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Yet not a single solitary word from HRW or any of the other wonderful international monitor organizations within Gaza

oh really? Did you actually go to their website?

News | Human Rights Watch

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Hamas is responsible for numerous and widespread human rights abuses in Gaza, but many Palestinians criticize Hamas practices during interviews with Human Rights Watch, most recently in our August 6 report on Qassam rocket attacks on Israel and our April 20 report on Hamas political violence. As Regev noted in an interview with Al-Jazeera, "It was Human Rights Watch that reported that Hamas members go around shooting in the kneecaps people who speak out of turn." This information, as the report noted, came from Palestinian witnesses in Gaza.

Human Rights Watch has had a permanent consultant based in Gaza since 2006. Israel continues to deny Human Rights Watch's other researchers access to Gaza.

False Allegations about Human Rights Watch?s Latest Gaza Report | Human Rights Watch

Harshaw · 08-15-09, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Blunt

I wouldn´t go as far as to call the IDF ¨incompetent¨
but Biased I would agree with

You must know that's not what she was referring to, and if you don't, well, that's very, very sad for you.

But holy cow . . . why wouldn't the Israeli Defense Force show, oh, I dunno, a slight favoritism toward Israel?

It's profound stupidity to suggest that a nation's military should be "unbiased." This may be the most jackassed "criticism" I've ever heard, and let me tell you, that's an achievement.

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