Mira

Because you really, naively believe that the Christians militias who had been in war with the Palestinians in Lebanon since 1975, had already committed the massacres of Karantina and Tal El Zaatar, and their leader had just been assassinated, all of a sudden would go into the camps to play dominos with the civilians who had remained there after the PLO had left ?

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Mira

I repeat my post written after you posted this:

Because you really, naively believe that the Christians militias who had been in war with the Palestinians in Lebanon since 1975, had already committed the massacres of Karantina and Tal El Zaatar, and their leader had just been assassinated, all of a sudden would go into the camps to play dominos with the civilians who had remained there after the PLO had left ?

and I add: why did the IDF help the militias by firing light bombs above the camps ?

edit to add: the camps were under the control of the IDF and they had the responsibilty to protect the civilians there NOT to unleash blood-thirsty enemies on them.

edit 2: and you naively think that Ariel Sharon would have resigned if he was able to prove his innocence.

I have no trouble admitting the crimes committed against Israel, try to admit some of your crimes, at least the ones that are too evident.

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Apocalypse

Protect them from themselves?

I do not know anything about the IDF shooting flares over the camps during the massacre, and even if they did I do not know what their motives were, but one cannot jump to conclusions like that.

And again, the Christian Lebanese were not asking for the IDF permission, it wasn't under the IDF guidance and it wasn't the IDF's responsibility.

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Apocalypse

Sharon was never found guilty of anything.
He was innocent up until this day when he's lying in coma.

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Mira

But he did resign and Eli Hubeika who lead the massacre was assassinated just before the trial in which he would certainly have testified against Sharon.

Sabra and Shatila Massacre - Israel News, Ynetnews


Despite the IDF’s assessment that a massacre might occur, and notwithstanding the unambiguous reports which reached Defense Minister Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan, the IDF did not prevent the massacre. By the night of September 16, the IDF had begun to receive reports of the killings, and reports reached several policy makers a few hours later. Nonetheless, no action was taken to stop the killings.

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Apocalypse

I wonder if you also believe that the Iraqis killed by other Iraqis during the American occupation of Iraq is under the US military's responsibility?

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Sabra and Shatila massacre encyclopedia topics | Reference.com

Apocalypse

I love it how you fellas show more anger towards the IDF than you do towards the Christian terrorists who've done this.

From the article:

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bub

yeah I tried to find the exact figures but I didn't find them. But I think it's clear that the number of civilian casualties is far too high (on both sides).

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I'm not nearly as concerned with peace as you are. Personally, my only objections to the war are that it's costing my government a lot of money and our half-assed support for one side of it is hurting our diplomatic relations with nearly a quarter of the world's population. Otherwise, well, it pleases large numbers of my countrymen for religious reasons and it does have strategic benefits.

I do have a solution. It's the only solution, but nobody wants to accept it. There are two nations fighting over territory that is only big enough to contain one of them. The only way for this war to end is for one or both of those nations to go away-- either be exterminated or surrender their cultural and national identity in being assimilated into the other one.

Since none of you humanitarians are willing to consider those options politically or morally viable, their war is going to continue for as long as the entire rest of the world is willing to prop up the combatants-- and refuse to allow them to finish the job.

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