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Re: Amnesty: Israel killed hundreds of Gaza civilians

Here is an example of the hypocrisy of Amnesty International. From today's edition of the New York Times...

Suspected Drone Attacks Kills 13 in Pakistan

Hundreds of people have been killed or wounded from US Predator attacks in western Pakistan since 2006. Week in and week out these deadly drone attacks continue unabated. Yet nary a disparaging word from the UN, Amnesty, or any other supposed "watchdog" organization.
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Re: Amnesty: Israel killed hundreds of Gaza civilians

How is the UN supposed to pass any substantive resolutions against the government of a country whose representative occupies a permanent position on their Security Council and possesses the veto power that that position entails? That's actually the same reason that no decisive action can be taken against past and present Israeli governments' violations of General Assembly resolutions; the USraeli alliance holds strong.
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Re: Amnesty: Israel killed hundreds of Gaza civilians

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Here is an example of the hypocrisy of Amnesty International. From today's edition of the New York Times...

Suspected Drone Attacks Kills 13 in Pakistan

Hundreds of people have been killed or wounded from US Predator attacks in western Pakistan since 2006. Week in and week out these deadly drone attacks continue unabated. Yet nary a disparaging word from the UN, Amnesty, or any other supposed "watchdog" organization.
They are hypocrites as a direct byproduct of the very agenda to which they actually admit, namely that they focus on the actions of liberal, western style democracies because they feel their agitprop can have some sort of effect of these, while they ignore the more barbaric actions of despotic regimes or stateless organizations because they will have no effect on them.

They are part of the problem rather than part of the solution, for their agenda simply feeds into this reactive mindset so prevelent among self hating westerners that only their own culture is ever guilty of wrong doing. For those who fall victim to the illogic involved in these appeals to authority, an organization like A.I. provides the illusion that this is really true -- that the west IS inordinantly guilty by very nature.
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How is the UN supposed to pass any substantive resolutions against the government of a country whose representative occupies a permanent position on their Security Council and possesses the veto power that that position entails? That's actually the same reason that no decisive action can be taken against past and present Israeli governments' violations of General Assembly resolutions; the USraeli alliance holds strong.
And what about Amnesty International or Human rights watch?
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And what about Amnesty International or Human rights watch?
What about them? Honestly, mere "watchdog organizations" are not capable of decisive action anyway. That said, aforementioned the policy of being most openly critical of the governments more liberal countries is not an inherently negative one because it is a reality that policy reform could be influenced by the opinions of the electorate, of course.
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Re: Amnesty: Israel killed hundreds of Gaza civilians

The point is, it is hypocritical to heap condemnation on some while exhibiting perpetual lockjaw on others. Either do it honestly and with equal measure for everyone, or don't even bother with the hypocrisy.
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The point is, it is hypocritical to heap condemnation on some while exhibiting perpetual lockjaw on others. Either do it honestly and with equal measure for everyone, or don't even bother with the hypocrisy.
I agree, but the problem is that effectively everyone says that even while adhering to blatantly partisan ideology. There are many willing to quote George Orwell's statement that "[t]he nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them" even while remaining absurdly partisan themselves. Similarly, those who claim that they "just want peace" usually actually want peace after the victory of a specific "side." As it were, American leftists are typically depicted as equal-opportunity haters of both America and Israel if they criticize actions of the governments of both nations, so I don't believe that specific combination would do much.
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