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Excelent !!!
I'm glad that you added some humour to an otherwise morose subject.
Good one, cheers !
seriously, Liberman mother Teresa ?
Excelent !!!
I'm glad that you added some humour to an otherwise morose subject.
Good one, cheers !
seriously, Liberman mother Teresa ?
"True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
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Hizb'allah has, since the 1985 manifesto, abandoned the prospect of turning Lebanon into an Islamic Republic. Nasrallah himself was quoted as saying:lieWe believe the requirement for an Islamic state is to have an overwhelming popular desire, and we're not talking about fifty percent plus one, but a large majority. And this is not available in Lebanon and probably never will be.SourceI suggest you read the book Staying the Course: the "Lebanonization" of Hizballah - the integration of an Islamist movement into a pluralist political system, which can be found online here, and which covers the entire process of Hizb'allah transforming from a revolutionary organization whose purpose was to turn Lebanon into an Islamic republic to the general abandonment of that goal as it was further integrated into the Lebanese political system.
But instead of constructing an argument or actually researching about this issue I'm guessing that you'll just call me a liar and a terrorist sympathizer or something like that.
Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 05-24-09 at 10:24 PM.
Hizb'allah has, since the 1985 manifesto, abandoned the prospect of turning Lebanon into an Islamic Republic. Nasrallah himself was quoted as saying:We believe the requirement for an Islamic state is to have an overwhelming popular desire, and we're not talking about fifty percent plus one, but a large majority. And this is not available in Lebanon and probably never will be.SourceI suggest you read the book Staying the Course: the "Lebanonization" of Hizballah - the integration of an Islamist movement into a pluralist political system, which can be found online here, and which covers the entire process of Hizb'allah transforming from a revolutionary organization whose purpose was to turn Lebanon into an Islamic republic to the general abandonment of that goal as it was further integrated into the Lebanese political system.
But instead of constructing an argument or actually researching about this issue I'm guessing that you'll just call me a liar and a terrorist sympathizer or something like that.
A) Show me the amended version of their manifesto until then you're just blowing smoke. Quote mining Nasrallah proves nothing about the stated policy objectives outlined in a party platform.
B) Your first source is a blog and offers 0 citation for that quote.
C) Your second link breaks.
D) Still nothing to back up your claim that Hezbollahs policy towards Israel outlined in their manifesto is "outdated".
Last edited by Agent Ferris; 05-26-09 at 01:04 AM.
A) if they try, theyll fail. Unless of course Israel continues to strengthen hezzbollahs hand.
I don't need to; the "Lebanonization" - as it has been come to be called - of Hizb'allah is fact. The fact that they didn't change their original 1985 Manifesto, which is outdated, is completely irrelevant. There is no need to change it.A) Show me the amended version of their manifesto until then you're just blowing smoke. Quote mining Nasrallah proves nothing about the stated policy objectives outlined in a party platform.
I mean ****, their Manifesto also states that they follow Ayatollah Khomenei, and he's dead.
Your viewpoint is based entirely on conspiratorial nonsense and not historical fact. Organizations change and evolve over time. Get over it.
Here's some more, if that doesn't satisfy you:B) Your first source is a blog and offers 0 citation for that quote.
The Seoul Times
Terrorism & It's Effects - Google Book Search
In Search of Hezbollah - The New York Review of Books
ZNet - Meeting Nasrallah
Let me know if you want any more.
Although I'm not sure why you even care, as "quote mining Nasrallah [apparently] proves nothing".
Works fine for me. But if it doesn't for you, I did give you the book name.C) Your second link breaks.
Well, all I have are facts. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy you.D) Still nothing to back up your claim that Hezbollahs policy towards Israel outlined in their manifesto is "outdated".
Ya why change your party platform when you change your platform.
You can't be serious.
Ya now they follow his successor sport. Hezbollah is Iranian not Lebanese. It was created by Iran, it is run by Iran, it is funded by Iran, it is trained by Iran, and it is armed by Iran.I mean ****, their Manifesto also states that they follow Ayatollah Khomenei, and he's dead.
No your viewpoint is based on un-cited quote mines, my viewpoint on the other hand is based on the Hezbollah manifesto. You know that little thing that outlines Hezbollahs ideology and goals.Your viewpoint is based entirely on conspiratorial nonsense and not historical fact. Organizations change and evolve over time. Get over it.
No evidence just a unsubstantiated statement regarding their position on theocratic governance.Here's some more, if that doesn't satisfy you:
The Seoul Times
Reaffirms my statement regarding Hezbollahs position on Israel and does nothing to assert that they have renounced their goal of theocratic governance.
"They say little about an Islamic state" except in their party platform of course.
Is this what passes for a citation in your world:
25. Adam Shatz, op. cit.
How about just one verifiable citation for that supposed quote. Oh and FYI that quote doesn't even renounce their theocratic viewpoint.Let me know if you want any more.
That is correct. Changing their party platform IE their manifesto would prove something.Although I'm not sure why you even care, as "quote mining Nasrallah [apparently] proves nothing".
You have one quote from Nasrallah which I nor anyone else can even verify and I have their party platform. Moreover, your sources reaffirm my assertion regarding Hezbollahs position on Israel.Well, all I have are facts. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy you.
Such a government would never work with Israel.
Let's figure it out.
This thread is about Lebanon.
Apologize for what? Responding to Lebanese aggression?I don't support Hizbollah but I don't support a peace agreement between Lebanon and Israel before Israel apologises to Lebanon.
That's on the northern border. Put that aside.
I know he made peace with Jews that would make any good Islamist angry.Egypt signed a peace agreement with Israel and Sadat got assassinated. The Muslim brotherhood were angry, they assassinated Sadat, I don't support his assassination but I can understand why they were angry.
I was never talking about so called Palestine.
Rabin signed a peace agreement with Arafat. Hamas at that time had very little or no influence and Hamas did not assassinate Arafat but Israeli rigt-wing extremists assasinated Rabin. You said Hizbollah doesn't want peace with Israel and I said when Israel signed peace with the Palestinians, Israelis assassinated their leader. We're not talking about borders anymore but about the internal issues of Israel and Palestine.
What's your point ?
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You brought up Kahane assassinating Rabin in a conversation about Hezbollah so what's your point? Oh and fyi Kahane is a banned political party in Israel.
Yes, it's un-cited, aside from all the sources I've cited that use it. But wait, those are apparently all lies, according to you. But yes, cling to an outdated version of Hizb'allah's aims and goals, and completely ignore the past 20 years.No your viewpoint is based on un-cited quote mines
Like I said, your viewpoint is based entirely on conspiratorial nonsense. Thanks for proving my point.
Lebanese better hope that the Hariri murder is also not a part of that conspiratorial nonsense.
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