Mira

Excelent !!!

I'm glad that you added some humour to an otherwise morose subject.


Good one, cheers !

seriously, Liberman mother Teresa ?

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Khayembii Communique

Hizb'allah has, since the 1985 manifesto, abandoned the prospect of turning Lebanon into an Islamic Republic. Nasrallah himself was quoted as saying:

We believe the requirement for an Islamic state is to have an overwhelming popular desire, and we're not talking about fifty percent plus one, but a large majority. And this is not available in Lebanon and probably never will be.Source

I suggest you read the book Staying the Course: the "Lebanonization" of Hizballah - the integration of an Islamist movement into a pluralist political system, which can be found online here, and which covers the entire process of Hizb'allah transforming from a revolutionary organization whose purpose was to turn Lebanon into an Islamic republic to the general abandonment of that goal as it was further integrated into the Lebanese political system.

But instead of constructing an argument or actually researching about this issue I'm guessing that you'll just call me a liar and a terrorist sympathizer or something like that.

Agent Ferris

A) Show me the amended version of their manifesto until then you're just blowing smoke. Quote mining Nasrallah proves nothing about the stated policy objectives outlined in a party platform.

B) Your first source is a blog and offers 0 citation for that quote.

C) Your second link breaks.

D) Still nothing to back up your claim that Hezbollahs policy towards Israel outlined in their manifesto is "outdated".

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Real Talk

A) if they try, theyll fail. Unless of course Israel continues to strengthen hezzbollahs hand.

Khayembii Communique

I don't need to; the "Lebanonization" - as it has been come to be called - of Hizb'allah is fact. The fact that they didn't change their original 1985 Manifesto, which is outdated, is completely irrelevant. There is no need to change it.

I mean ****, their Manifesto also states that they follow Ayatollah Khomenei, and he's dead.

Your viewpoint is based entirely on conspiratorial nonsense and not historical fact. Organizations change and evolve over time. Get over it.

Here's some more, if that doesn't satisfy you:
The Seoul Times
Terrorism & It's Effects - Google Book Search
In Search of Hezbollah - The New York Review of Books
ZNet - Meeting Nasrallah

Let me know if you want any more.

Although I'm not sure why you even care, as "quote mining Nasrallah [apparently] proves nothing".

Works fine for me. But if it doesn't for you, I did give you the book name.

Well, all I have are facts. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy you.

Agent Ferris

Ya why change your party platform when you change your platform.

You can't be serious.

Ya now they follow his successor sport. Hezbollah is Iranian not Lebanese. It was created by Iran, it is run by Iran, it is funded by Iran, it is trained by Iran, and it is armed by Iran.

No your viewpoint is based on un-cited quote mines, my viewpoint on the other hand is based on the Hezbollah manifesto. You know that little thing that outlines Hezbollahs ideology and goals.


No evidence just a unsubstantiated statement regarding their position on theocratic governance.

Reaffirms my statement regarding Hezbollahs position on Israel and does nothing to assert that they have renounced their goal of theocratic governance.

"They say little about an Islamic state" except in their party platform of course.

Is this what passes for a citation in your world:

25. Adam Shatz, op. cit.

How about just one verifiable citation for that supposed quote. Oh and FYI that quote doesn't even renounce their theocratic viewpoint.

That is correct. Changing their party platform IE their manifesto would prove something.


You have one quote from Nasrallah which I nor anyone else can even verify and I have their party platform. Moreover, your sources reaffirm my assertion regarding Hezbollahs position on Israel.

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FlappyTheKinkajou

Such a government would never work with Israel.

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Agent Ferris

This thread is about Lebanon.

Apologize for what? Responding to Lebanese aggression?

I know he made peace with Jews that would make any good Islamist angry.

I was never talking about so called Palestine.

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You brought up Kahane assassinating Rabin in a conversation about Hezbollah so what's your point? Oh and fyi Kahane is a banned political party in Israel.

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Khayembii Communique

Yes, it's un-cited, aside from all the sources I've cited that use it. But wait, those are apparently all lies, according to you. But yes, cling to an outdated version of Hizb'allah's aims and goals, and completely ignore the past 20 years.

Like I said, your viewpoint is based entirely on conspiratorial nonsense. Thanks for proving my point.

Tashah

Lebanese better hope that the Hariri murder is also not a part of that conspiratorial nonsense.

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