Hezbollah in COntrol

Agent Ferris · 05-24-09, 04:12 PM

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Unfortunately this is the view of Israel's right-wing extremists toward the Palestinians and the peace talks as well. They went as far as assassinating Yitzhak Rabin.

Or how the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Anwar Sadat?

But regardless the Israeli right wing extremists are not in power, Likud is right wing but they are not extremists; such as, Kahane, and contrary to Hezbollah they have accepted all previous peace agreements and in fact was the party which signed the Camp David Accords.

Khayembii Communique · 05-24-09, 04:18 PM

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Hezbollah Manifesto:

We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.

This is outdated.

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That will change the moment Hezbollah takes control, they seak to end pluralist democratic governance and replace it with a theocratic system of governance under puritanical sharia law. They demand one man, one vote, but only once.

This is outdated, as well.

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The fact of the matter is that Hezbollah is an Islamist organization that demands one man, one vote, but only once and upon taking control will destroy Lebanese democracy the same way Hamas destroyed Palestinian democracy.

As is this.

Agent Ferris · 05-24-09, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

This is outdated.

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This is outdated, as well.

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As is this.

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gree0232 · 05-24-09, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

Or how the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Anwar Sadat?

But regardless the Israeli right wing extremists are not in power, Likud is right wing but they are not extremists; such as, Kahane, and contrary to Hezbollah they have accepted all previous peace agreements and in fact was the party which signed the Camp David Accords.

Agh, not sure what Egypt has to do with Lebanon? Nor indeed am I quite sure what the Muslim Brotherhood, a suna group, has to so with Hezboallah, a Shia group?

Oh, silly me, all Muslims are monothically linked in a diabolical terrorist pact. All of them.

As for Israel, you are aware that Mr. Liberman is not exactly a moderate, widely belived to be racist, and pursues policies of hatred for personal political gain much like Miosivich did in the former Yugoslavia?

You are also aware that Ben and company, upon taking office, abandoned the Annapolis accords and the committment to a two state solution. One they refuse to re-affirm despite International pressure.

So, pretty much, Israel's position for the current round of negotiations rests on outright lies, distortions, and double standards?

And when it all falls apart, it will no doubt be the Palestinians fault? Or the Arabs, or the Muslims, or Syria's, or Iran's, or ... well, they are all the same thing anyway.

Agent Ferris · 05-24-09, 04:52 PM

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Agh, not sure what Egypt has to do with Lebanon?

The same thing the assassination of Rabin has to do with Hezbollah.

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with Nor indeed am I quite sure what the Muslim Brotherhood, a suna group, has to so with Hezboallah, a Shia group?

The same thing Kahane a Jewish group has to do with Hezbollah a Shia Muslim group.

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Oh, silly me, all Muslims are monothically linked in a diabolical terrorist pact. All of them.

All Islamists support the same goals IE sharia based theocratic governance, that's what makes them Islamists dontcha know?

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As for Israel, you are aware that Mr. Liberman is not exactly a moderate, widely belived to be racist, and pursues policies of hatred for personal political gain much like Miosivich did in the former Yugoslavia?

I never claimed that he is a moderate but compared to Hezbollah he's Mother Teresa.

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You are also aware that Ben and company, upon taking office, abandoned the Annapolis accords and the committment to a two state solution. One they refuse to re-affirm despite International pressure.

Yes I'm fully aware that they reject the two state solution as do I and as does Hamas.

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So, pretty much, Israel's position for the current round of negotiations rests on outright lies, distortions, and double standards?

It is the position of the current administration that the Palestinians should be allowed self governance but not their own sovereign state. I am actually opposed to this position as I feel the Arabs who started calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967 already have their own state, you may have heard of it it's called Jordan.

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And when it all falls apart, it will no doubt be the Palestinians fault? Or the Arabs, or the Muslims, or Syria's, or Iran's, or ... well, they are all the same thing anyway.

The so called Palestinians already have self rule and Hamas has already flatly rejected the two state solution. However, unlike Hamas and Hezbollah likud will accept peace proposals and agreements short of accepting the two state solution, Hamas and Hezbollah will accept no peace agreement short on the complete destruction of Israel.

Mira · 05-24-09, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gree0232

Agh, not sure what Egypt has to do with Lebanon? Nor indeed am I quite sure what the Muslim Brotherhood, a suna group, has to so with Hezboallah, a Shia group?

Oh, silly me, all Muslims are monothically linked in a diabolical terrorist pact. All of them.

As for Israel, you are aware that Mr. Liberman is not exactly a moderate, widely belived to be racist, and pursues policies of hatred for personal political gain much like Miosivich did in the former Yugoslavia?

You are also aware that Ben and company, upon taking office, abandoned the Annapolis accords and the committment to a two state solution. One they refuse to re-affirm despite International pressure.

So, pretty much, Israel's position for the current round of negotiations rests on outright lies, distortions, and double standards?

And when it all falls apart, it will no doubt be the Palestinians fault? Or the Arabs, or the Muslims, or Syria's, or Iran's, or ... well, they are all the same thing anyway.

And, what has Egypt got to do with Paeltinians. Rabin signed a peace accord with Arafat and he got assassinated.

If Lebanon signed a peace agreement with Isreal, I'd be equally pissed, at least if the peace accord is signed before Israel apologises to Lebanon. I wouldn't go as far as wishing the assassination of the leader who would shake hands with Israel, but I'd be pretty angry.

edit: oh actually we almost did sign a peace agreement with Israel when they imposed Bashir Gemayel as President during the 1982 invasion.

Agent Ferris · 05-24-09, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mira

And, what has Egypt got to do with Paeltinians. Rabin signed a peace accord with Arafat and he got assassinated.

And what does Hezbollah have to do with the "Palestinians" or Kahane?

Sadat signed a peace accord with Begin and he got assassinated. Oh and FYI the Muslim Brotherhood has everything to do with so called "Palestinians" as Hamas is the "Palestinian" chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Mira · 05-24-09, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

And what does Hezbollah have to do with the "Palestinians" or Kahane?

Sadat signed a peace accord with Begin and he got assassinated. Oh and FYI the Muslim Brotherhood has everything to do with so called "Palestinians" as Hamas is the "Palestinian" chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood.

I might be a bit slow, but I don't understand your logic.

Let's consider that Hamas is an offspring of the Muslim brotherhood. Sadat was assassinated in Egypt and Rabin in Israel for signing a peace agreement with Arafat. Hamas was not in the game yet.

Agent Ferris · 05-24-09, 05:37 PM

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I might be a bit slow, but I don't understand your logic.

You brought up the assassination of Rabin in response to my posting of the Hezbollah manifesto which has as much to do with the the current discussion as the Sadat assassination.

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Let's consider that Hamas is an offspring of the Muslim brotherhood.

It's not an assumption it's a cold hard fact.

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Sadat was assassinated in Egypt and Rabin in Israel for signing a peace agreement with Arafat. Hamas was not in the game yet.

Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood they are one in the same, but don't take my word for it just read the Hamas Charter:

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The Link between Hamas and the Association of Muslim Brothers

Article Two

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era. It is characterized by a profound understanding, by precise notions and by a complete comprehensiveness of all concepts of Islam in all domains of life: views and beliefs, politics and economics, education and society, jurisprudence and rule, indoctrination and teaching, the arts and publications, the hidden and the evident, and all the other domains of life.

ACPR - Documents - The Hamas Charter

Mira · 05-24-09, 05:47 PM

Ok, let's get this straight.

You said Hizbollah refuses to sign a peace agreement with Israel. Fine, Hizbollah is in Lebanon. I don't support Hizbollah but I don't support a peace agreement between Lebanon and Israel before Israel apologises to Lebanon.
That's on the northern border. Put that aside.

Egypt signed a peace agreement with Israel and Sadat got assassinated. The Muslim brotherhood were angry, they assassinated Sadat, I don't support his assassination but I can understand why they were angry. That's the southern border. Put that aside.

Rabin signed a peace agreement with Arafat. Hamas at that time had very little or no influence and Hamas did not assassinate Arafat but Israeli rigt-wing extremists assasinated Rabin. You said Hizbollah doesn't want peace with Israel and I said when Israel signed peace with the Palestinians, Israelis assassinated their leader. We're not talking about borders anymore but about the internal issues of Israel and Palestine.

What's your point ?

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Mira Professor Join Date: May 2009 Last Seen: Today 02:29 PM Location: France Posts: 2,413 Thanks: 96 Thanked 503 Times in 369 Posts Gender:	Re: Hezbollah in COntrol Ok, let's get this straight. You said Hizbollah refuses to sign a peace agreement with Israel. Fine, Hizbollah is in Lebanon. I don't support Hizbollah but I don't support a peace agreement between Lebanon and Israel before Israel apologises to Lebanon. That's on the northern border. Put that aside. Egypt signed a peace agreement with Israel and Sadat got assassinated. The Muslim brotherhood were angry, they assassinated Sadat, I don't support his assassination but I can understand why they were angry. That's the southern border. Put that aside. Rabin signed a peace agreement with Arafat. Hamas at that time had very little or no influence and Hamas did not assassinate Arafat but Israeli rigt-wing extremists assasinated Rabin. You said Hizbollah doesn't want peace with Israel and I said when Israel signed peace with the Palestinians, Israelis assassinated their leader. We're not talking about borders anymore but about the internal issues of Israel and Palestine. What's your point ?
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