Netanyahu Pledges to Pursue Peace With Palestinians

Blunt · 05-14-09, 03:44 PM

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What they are "there to do" (in my view) can be divided into several branches:
1) Isolate opinions that are not to their liking, and in our case, ones that directly cite Israeli responsibility. These opinions are "imposed" as being off topic, irrelevant, beyond the pale, etc. The opinion is then discarded very rapidly and the gatekeeper cuts to a very routine "attack the person who did that", leading to point two:

2) Ostracise people who point out the inconsistencies of the arguments of those who are spreading Hasbara (pro-Israel propaganda, often masked as being moderate or seeing that both sides have equal responsibility for the conflict). No one wants to be in the position of the isolated person, and many will not find others who defend them, so this is usually the most effective mechanism they use to keep all issues only where the Gatekeeper wants them. It also creates divisions within the group, which is useful in establishing new (or initial) leadership roles, all of them informal, but very much used.

Israeli ?Peace? discussion groups, common pitfalls and how to recognise them. | Palestine Think Tank
interesting reading

Marc39 · 05-14-09, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gree0232

No Marc, your credibility is an issue.

Too rich, coming from you, the person who could make a career out of faking any knowledge of Middle Eastern affairs, if, only someone would pay you for fakery.

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The reason you do not provide links is because if you did, I strongly suspect, that much of what you are saying would either be proven wrong or that it comes from an extremist web site.

Harboring a grudge because I continully show you to know very little about the Middle East?l

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That you make ludicrious statements and then refuse to back them up when pushed, hiding behind 'integrity' while castigating others for their lack of 'integrity', is appalling.

Must suck being you and having me come along and undermine nearly everything you write, based on factual knowledge of history and current events. Bet you thought your little charade could go on indefinitely, right?

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And if there are people who take wild swings at Israel, there is of course the corollary, of taking wild swings in blind defense of Israel. You are like a battered child who has been beaten so many times that he can no longer disagree with his abuser and now, fearing another beating, lashes out against anyone else who dares to so much as look in the general direction of your tormentor.

If you only took the time to study the subject matter, then, you wouldn't look so utterly foolish each time I prove you wrong. You cannot just wing it. And, instead of showing appreciation for tutoring you, gratis, I get nothing but ingratitutde from he who is so ignorant.

digsbe · 05-14-09, 05:20 PM

I certainly hope that Netanyahu is able to strike a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians... the only problem is that within the PLO's official charter it calls for the destruction of Israel and will not settle for a two state solution. Here are two articles quoted from the PLO charter.

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Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.

Article 22: Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.

Marc39 · 05-14-09, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by digsbe

I certainly hope that Netanyahu is able to strike a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians... the only problem is that within the PLO's official charter it calls for the destruction of Israel and will not settle for a two state solution. Here are two articles quoted from the PLO charter.

Good point. I'll let you in on an interesting bit of PLO trivia. In the original PLO Charter, published in 1964, the PLO disavowed all claims to the West Bank and Gaza. Art. 26, IIRC. It's floating around the Net if you search for it. That was then. After Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza, the PLO went to the extraordinary step of re-writing the charter to claim ALL of Palestine, incl. the West Bank and Gaza. This is now. Those wretched, lying dogs do not give a damn about the West Bank because of some BS ancestral attachment to it. They want it merely because Israel controls it.

digsbe · 05-14-09, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc39

Good point. I'll let you in on an interesting bit of PLO trivia. In the original PLO Charter, published in 1964, the PLO disavowed all claims to the West Bank and Gaza. Art. 26, IIRC. It's floating around the Net if you search for it. That was then. After Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza, the PLO went to the extraordinary step of re-writing the charter to claim ALL of Palestine, incl. the West Bank and Gaza. This is now. Those wretched, lying dogs do not give a damn about the West Bank because of some BS ancestral attachment to it. They want it merely because Israel controls it.

Thanks for the info, I had not known that. The PLO is nothing but an anti-Semitic terrorist organization, they care nothing for Palestinians. It seems they exist to assault Israel and try and take over, they don't care about the poverty in Gaza or the West Bank. I think the situation between most Arab nations and Israel is a prime example of racism and discrimination. Israel is a tiny dot smaller than New Jersey, yet the nations around them are racist and scream for genocide and destruction (there have already been several wars fought against Israel). You have Hamas and Iran actively campaigning and propagandizing against Israel all the time. Several Arab countries actually deny all access if you are an Israeli citizen or even have an Israeli visa in your passport. Here is the list- Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria,UAE and Yemen. It's all a prime example of racism against Israelis and hatred of the Jewish religion. I know Israel doesn't equal Judaism, but many of these Arab countries also call for a genocide of all Jews and deny the holocaust.

Marc39 · 05-14-09, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by digsbe

Thanks for the info, I had not known that. The PLO is nothing but an anti-Semitic terrorist organization, they care nothing for Palestinians. It seems they exist to assault Israel and try and take over, they don't care about the poverty in Gaza or the West Bank. I think the situation between most Arab nations and Israel is a prime example of racism and discrimination. Israel is a tiny dot smaller than New Jersey, yet the nations around them are racist and scream for genocide and destruction (there have already been several wars fought against Israel). You have Hamas and Iran actively campaigning and propagandizing against Israel all the time. Several Arab countries actually deny all access if you are an Israeli citizen or even have an Israeli visa in your passport. Here is the list- Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria,UAE and Yemen. It's all a prime example of racism against Israelis and hatred of the Jewish religion. I know Israel doesn't equal Judaism, but many of these Arab countries also call for a genocide of all Jews and deny the holocaust.

Read, "History Upside Down," by David Meir-Levi, in libraries and on amazon. He documents the lengthy Arab/Palstinian collaboration with the Nazis and, later, the Soviets. He documents Arafat's own collaboration with the Soviet KGB and writes of how they invented the whole hoax of the so-called "Palestinian People" as a propaganda effort to delegitimize Israel and weaken US influence. Very enlightening.

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