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Gaza pictures and US media

It absolutely is ad hominem. You attacked his political lean which is irrelevant in regards to whether or not what he said is true. He lied about nothing.

Can you disprove what the doctor said?

Read the tread. Your lies had been addressed.
 
Lerxst, don't bother.

justone NEVER concedes anything, even if you dangle evidence in his face.
 
How many time have I heard this refrain – ‘’Burp, burp, burp…’’?
Whipped burpers unite to share pain, to share burps.
 
So, where's this thread?

I understand the topic may be interesting to you, if I have time and if it is still somewhere and if I find it – I will post the discussion where I went into details and submitted full documentation for the statements above.
Thank you.

I belive it happened over a year ago and I did not find it in archives. I may have something in my files, but I never promised that I will drop everything and start looking immediately - you have to wait and I don't know for how long,

But even these actions are enough to convince any jury in the crimes mentioned by me:

Lenin to Molotov, Black Hundreds, 19 March 1922

The event at Shuia should be connected with the announcement that the Russian News Agency [ROST] recently sent to the newspapers but that was not for publication, namely, the announcement that the Black Hundreds in Petrograd [Piter] were preparing to defy the decree on the removal of property of value from the churches.

we can (and therefore must) pursue the removal of church property with the most frenzied and ruthless energy and not hesitate to put down the least opposition.

We must pursue the removal of church property by any means necessary in order to secure for ourselves a fund of several hundred million gold rubles (do not forget the immense wealth of some monasteries and lauras). …. In order to get our hands on this fund of several hundred million gold rubles (and perhaps even several hundred billion), we must do whatever is necessary

Therefore, I come to the indisputable conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.
The campaign itself for carrying out this plan I envision in the following manner:
Only Comrade Kalinin should appear officially in regard to any measures taken--never and under no circumstance must Comrade Trotsky write anything for the press or in any other way appear before the public.
Send to Shuia one of the most energetic, clear-headed, and capable members of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee [VTsIK] or some other representative of the central government (one is better than several), giving him verbal instruc tions through one of the members of the Politburo. The instructions must come down to this, that in Shuia he must arrest more if possible but not less than several dozen representatives of the local clergy, the local petty bourgeoisie, and the local bourgeoisie on sus picion of direct or indirect participation in the forcible resistance to the decree of the VTsIK on the removal of property of value from churches. Immediately upon completion of this task, he must return to Moscow and personally deliver a report to the full session of t he Politburo or to two specially authorized members of the Politburo. On the basis of this report, the Politburo will give a detailed directive to the judicial authorities, also verbal, that the trial of the insurrectionists from Shuia, for opposing aid to the starving, should be carried out in utmost haste and should end not other than with the shooting of the very largest number of the most influential and dangerous of the Black Hundreds in Shuia, and, if possible, not only in this city but even in Moscow and several other ecclesiastical centers.

The greater the n umber of representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary bourgeoisie that we succeed in shooting on this occasion, the better because this 'audience' must precisely now be taught a lesson in such a way that they will not dare to think about any resis tance whatsoever for several decades
 
Mads Gilbert, the Norwegian doctor in Gaza, interviewed by sky news;

YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks

TRANSCRIPT:

Just a little bit more than an hour ago, the Israelis bombed the central fruit market in Gaza City, and we had a mass influx of about 50 injured and between 10 and 15 killed. At the same time, they bombed an apartment house with children playing on the roof, and we had a lot of children also. It's really like a scene from Dante's Inferno. It's like hell here now. They've been bombing all night, close to 500 people have been killed, and the number of casualties is getting to two and a half thousand of which 50% are children and women.

Are your hospitals reaching capacity? Can you deal with these people?

We have been doing surgery around the clock. I've just talked to one of my colleagues in the ICU who has not slept for three days. The hospital is completely overcrowded, we are running six, seven hours.

There are injuries you just don't want to see in this world. There are children coming in with open abdomens and legs cut off. We just had a child.. we had to amputate both the legs and the arm. And the only crime they have done is being civilians, the Palestinians, living in Gaza. The relief now is not more doctors and more drugs, the relief now is to stop the bombing immediately. This cannot go on. It's a disaster.

You've talked about the civilians, the women, the children, the men who are not involved in this, but are you also getting casualties that are Hamas fighters?

To be honest, we came on New Year's Eve in the morning, I've seen ONE military person among the tens, I mean, the hundreds that we have seen and treated. So anybody who tries to portray this as sort of a clean war against another army are lying. This is an all out war against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza, and we can prove that with the numbers.

And you have to remember, the average age of the Gaza inhabitants is 17 years. It's a very young population, and 80% are living below the poverty limit of the UN. So this is a poor and very young people, and they are able to escape absolutely nowhere because they cannot flee like other populations can in wartime, because they are fenced in and they are in a cage. So they are bombing one and a half million people in a cage. And young people, poor people, and you know, you cannot separate between the civilians and the fighters in such a situation.
After severe criticism from numerous blogs, CNN has pulled the YouTube video teamed with the story above for unstated reasons. But you can discover the why's and wherefore's here:

Confederate Yankee: Anatomy of a Media Hoax

The submitted video is a fabrication.
 
After severe criticism from numerous blogs, CNN has pulled the YouTube video teamed with the story above for unstated reasons. But you can discover the why's and wherefore's here:

Confederate Yankee: Anatomy of a Media Hoax

The submitted video is a fabrication.

Actually, Bob Owens says that the video is a fabrication. But since Bob Owens is the Ann Coulter of the blogosphere, I tend to take his word for nothing.

OTH, CNN has re-posted the youtube video, and insists that it is genuine.

As for me, what with hundreds of kids getting blown up by the Israelis, I can't imagine why CNN would need to use a "fabrication"!?!?
 
The submitted video is a fabrication.

Jakers addressed your speculative assertion above. Mads Gilbert is a physician and was in Gaza before the Massacre started. He did not provide the footage, my interest was his interview which i provided a transcript for.

Here are some facts;

Over 1100 people killed many are women and children
Over 5000 injured including many women and children
The IDF is bombing Gaza using air, land and sea
There are hospitals in Gaza to take care of the wounded and that includes performing surgiers.

Feel free to speculate about how a "real" footage from Gaza should look like.

For those interested, Al-Jazeera has set up an online Creative Commons Repository for raw footage from Gaza, it covers the last 16 days.

Al Jazeera Creative Commons Repository
 
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Jakers addressed your speculative assertion above. Mads Gilbert is a physician and was in Gaza before the Massacre started. He did not provide the footage, my interest was his interview which i provided a transcript for.
Jakers didn't address anything. The brother of the phony "victim" provided the obviously fabricated video. Interview? Gilbert is hardly a neutral and unbiased mouthpiece. You may as well read Khaled Meshaal.

Here are some facts;
Over 1100 people killed many are women and children
Over 5000 injured including many women and children
The IDF is bombing Gaza using air, land and sea
There are hospitals in Gaza to take care of the wounded and that includes performing surgiers.
You forgot a few critical facts;
The Hamas Charter
7,500 Hamas Hamas rockets fired into Israel

For those interested, Al-Jazeera has set up an online Creative Commons Repository for raw footage from Gaza, it covers the last 16 days.
Strange Al-Jazeera didn't cover the 7,500 Hamas rockets from 2004-2009. But then again, I suppose an Arab media outlet wouldn't find that outrage at all newsworthy.
 
Jakers didn't address anything. The brother of the phony "victim" provided the obviously fabricated video. Interview? Gilbert is hardly a neutral and unbiased mouthpiece. You may as well read Khaled Meshaal.

I'm guessing that Gilbert is a Maoist of the third-worldist type, which basically means that he uncritically bows down to any "resistance" to "western" "imperialism". Generally these types have a habit of spin and distortion that you wouldn't even get from the American media (in fact, their entire ideology is based around distorting Marxism to fitting their perverted world-view). In other words, they're not very trustworthy or reliable sources of information.

You forgot a few critical facts;
The Hamas Charter
7,500 Hamas Hamas rockets fired into Israel

How many Israelis died?
 
By the way, the video that I submitted is not the same video you are talking about. I submitted this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6o...-gaza-pictures-us-media-4.html#post1057887838

You are talking about this video
YouTube - Gaza CNN : Cameraman captures death of younger brother

But never the less, I will address your comments about the other video.

Jakers didn't address anything.

After severe criticism from numerous blogs, CNN has pulled the YouTube video teamed with the story above for unstated reasons[/QUOTE
First, CNN did not say that the video is Fake.


Gaza video genuine, journalists say - CNN.com

(CNN) -- There's no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer's brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team's employer.
"It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

"He's a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother," Martin said. "I know the whole family. I know them very well. ... [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. ... This is ridiculous. He's independent."

Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that "Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel. He died later in the hospital. He was treated by the Norwegian team. When he was brought in, he was breathing. The team did their best to save him. I am not really sure if they even tried to rush him to the surgery room, because he was badly hurt."

Second, you asserted that "severe criticism from numerous blogs" but you referenced only one single blog which as Jakers stated is biased with a slogan that says "liberalism is a persistent vegetative state".

Now, you may find such a blog worthy, but I do not. Most people know that blogs and message boards are harly neutral or objective sources of information.
 
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Did you see these pictures from Gaza in US media?

Gaza Massacre decembre 2008 janvier 2009 photos

The link is broken, so I cannot see what you're referring to, for the moment.

What I have noticed is very few photos (or media chatter) about what Hamas has done to provoke Israel in the first place.

In the end, I think that Israel 'wins' by simply surviving, as a state, despite their own deeply different parties and power-sharing arrangements.

Hamas 'wins' when they get sympathy (i.e. money and political support) from the international community and/or key backing states.

Hamas obtains that support by "standing up" to the onslaught of a superior enemy -- So, I think that peace for Hamas would be a disaster, so it will not be allowed.

Perhaps the fighting will last another 100 years, by which time Israel, demographically, may no longer exist.
 
But never the less, I will address your comments about the other video.

(CNN) -- There's no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer's brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team's employer.
"It's absolute nonsense," Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.
Gaza video genuine, journalists say - CNN.com

Journalists say? Here is the website of World News and Features. CNN is covering its ass with this? :rofl

btw... in 2004 videographer Ashraf Mashharawi was the General Manager of nepras.net which operated the main Hamas website and also the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.

Second, you asserted that "severe criticism from numerous blogs" but you referenced only one single blog which as Jakers stated is biased with a slogan that says "liberalism is a persistent vegetative state".
All ya have to do is Google it. There are dozens.

Hot Air Blog Archive CNN republishes fake atrocity video; Update: CNN responds
CNN Doubles Down; Reposts Withdrawn Video of Apparently Faked CPR Attempt on 'Dead' Palestinian Child | NewsBusters.org
Augean Stables CNN Defends their Pallywood Error. Let’s See Mr. Mashharawi’s Rushes
CNN Shows Hamas Propaganda with Fake CPR | Crimson Politics

Now, you may find such a blog worthy, but I do not. Most people know that blogs and message boards are harly neutral or objective sources of information.
If it was just one blog, yea okay. But it's not. I also tried to find the converse - bloggers proving that the video is genuine - nothing.
 
Journalists say? Here is the website of World News and Features. CNN is covering its ass with this? :rofl

:rofl and :spin: as much as you like, fact remains that you are using blogs and bloggers to support your position. Ya know, some of those posts in blogs are just like yours... explained below...



Quote:
Originally Posted by SquareMelon
Mads Gilbert, the Norwegian doctor in Gaza, interviewed by sky news;

YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks

TRANSCRIPT:

Just ......

After severe criticism from numerous blogs, CNN has pulled the YouTube video teamed with the story above for unstated reasons. But you can discover the why's and wherefore's here:

Confederate Yankee: Anatomy of a Media Hoax

The submitted video is a fabrication.

What you did was claiming that the footage I submitted was a fake which is totally untrue since you were talking about another footage. Relevant text is bold and underlined for easy reference.This is either deliberate mis information or an indication that you did not view the footage I supplied and just put together something.. anything... The later is even worse than the former:2razz:

Though what issurprising, is that, two members thanked you for it. Next time I suggest people pay more attention when they read your posts before they thank you:mrgreen:

Again

The video clip I submitted
YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks
The video clip Tashah is talking about
YouTube - Gaza CNN : Cameraman captures death of younger brother
 
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:rofl and :spin: as much as you like, fact remains that you are using blogs and bloggers to support your position. Ya know, some of those posts in blogs are just like yours... explained below...





What you did was claiming that the footage I submitted was a fake which is totally untrue since you were talking about another footage. Relevant text is bold and underlined for easy reference.This is either deliberate mis information or an indication that you did not view the footage I supplied and just put together something.. anything... The later is even worse than the former:2razz:

Though what issurprising, is that, two members thanked you for it. Next time I suggest people pay more attention when they read your posts before they thank you:mrgreen:

Again

The video clip I submitted
YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks
The video clip Tashah is talking about
YouTube - Gaza CNN : Cameraman captures death of younger brother

Hi;

WRT the video clip that Tasha is talking about, and that every ultra-right wing blogger has taken a turn at repeating, I have to wonder why their friends at FOX News haven't joined in the general condemnation? Was it Dan Rather [?] who got something wrong, something uncorroborated or whatever, and didn't all the other networks and their pundits jump all over him and his news team? It may have been someone else, I can't remember, but I know from that case that if CNN was really so obviously 'faking it', FOX etc. would be all over them in their 'outrage'. But personally, I haven't heard them back up the bloggers and condemn CNN. Not even a little bit. Could it be that even FOX thinks the video is legit?


Now, I do not live in the USA, so I may very well have missed it, but usually word gets around.
 
Journalists say? Here is the website of World News and Features. CNN is covering its ass with this? :rofl

btw... in 2004 videographer Ashraf Mashharawi was the General Manager of nepras.net which operated the main Hamas website and also the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.

That means he has less credibility than a Hamas terrorist. His word is officially ****.

Nothing he reports can be taken seriously.
 
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