Billo_Really

I really don't understand all this Israeli ass-kissing. I don't kiss anyone's ass. And I make it a point, not to kiss Israeli ass. Why? It's like when disco got popular and everyone was into it, I had to go the other way just for the sake of balance. For that very reason, I'm glad we have conservatives, 'cause who wants a world full of nothing but liberals? But I draw the line at hypocrisy. And the hypocrisy coming out of Washington in support of Tel Aviv, has got me goin'. We elected the Democrats, because we were sick of the neocon's. And the last thing I want to see from the Dems, is to start acting just like the Reps. And on the issue of support for Israel, there is no difference between Mr. Change Obama and Mr. Anti-Christ Bush. It is 100% blind allegience to the David Star State no matter how brutal the Israeli government's actions in the OPT are.
I call a spade, a spade. I don't call it a heart, diamond or a club. And cutting through all this BS about how they are trying to minimize civilian casualties, I have to say that, "Israel has committed war crimes!" So has Hamas. But I hold the Israeli government in higher regard than I do Hamas for the simple reason that they are more organized and should know better. And they probably do. They just don't care. The don't care about world opinion. They don't care about human rights. The don't care about international law. They don't care about the impact their actions have on others. So, what goes around, comes around, I don't give a **** about them either. Their ****in' liars. They act like Nazis. They practice aparthied. They brutalize Palestinian's. And the more they think they have a free pass to do whatever they please, the more I'm gonna tell them to go **** themselves!

When did the truce officially end? November? I know there was a few months there that was pretty quiet. And within the last month, the **** has hit the fan. So it's a little strange that the ****in' bitch, Hillary Rodham Clinton, would write a letter back in June, on behalf of American's for Peace Now, another Israeli kiss-ass group, outlining the military offensive going on right now in Gaza.
If Hamas broke the truce and Israel was simply defending themselves per Article 51 of the UN Charter, why was US and Israeli officials talking about this offensive back in June? That's not a reaction to rockets, that's a pre-emption to war. And why would the House pass a resolution back in March that contained wording regarding this "human shield" issue?

And why do non-political watchdog groups disagree with these human shield claims?
So it makes sense to barr foreign journalists from Gaza, Israel wants to control the propaganda.

I get the impression that Israel thinks their all that, and a bucket of chicken. And the more they act like that, and the more you Israeli brown-nosers go romancin' the zion, the more I just want to bitch-slap their ass! And when you go outside the controlled media of both the US and Israel, you find things that are conspicuously omitted from discussions and debates regarding the recent hostilities. Like the fact that it was Israel, not Hamas, that officially broke the cease fire.

And that it is Israel, not Hamas, that is preventing peace in the region.
You people that make excuses for Israeli atrocities really piss me off. This **** about reducing civilian casualties is a farce. If you were actually doing that, you wouldn't be attacking non-military targets and trying to lie about them being used for military purposes later.

Israel, catch the ****in' clue! You do have a right to exist, but you don't have a right to lie about your existance.

What I would like to see my government do in leiu of kissing Israeli ass, is to use our military to open the roads Israel closes. To air-lift in humanitarian supplies and aid to Gaza, much like we did to West Berlin in the early '60's. But alas, that would take something that doesn't exist in America...........dems with balls! And even though the reps destroyed this country in every way politically, economically and phylosophically, at least they had balls!

Joby

Obama said today that he wouldn't speak on the issue because he's not President. I'm willing to buy that, even though I think he should speak out immediately (the political ****storm that would cause would be horrible).

That sounds like an evil, pragmatic position to hold, and I have tremendous doubt that Change is coming anywhere near our relationship with Israel/Palestine.

And this is why I have been so pissed that Obama chose Clinton for Sec of State. What the **** kind of change is that?

But I still have Hope. I've honsetly been fantasizing lately that Obama launch a Gaza Airlift. It would be awesome, but my feeling is that Obama's nose will get browner than it already is.

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niftydrifty

Amen, brother.

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bhkad

Being for or against something for the sake of balance means you are arbitrarily for or against things without rhyme or reason except for fashion.

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OBL 11/24/02

Keorythe

Because Hamas has set a precedent? Because Hamas doesn't have a history of allowing cease fires nor the first time they have sent randomly targetted rockets into Israel? Because everyone pretty much knew that Hamas was stoked by the 2006 fight that they were creaming their pants for round 2?

NON-POLITICAL? I'm sorry, who are these guys? Would they be the ones that ignore the VIDEO of people firing rockets and mortars next to civilian buildings, kindergardens, and apartments? What about when the made a call on the national television to surround the house of Abu al-Hatal, Abu Bilal al-Ja’abeer, Othman al-Ruziana, Ma’amoun Abu ‘Amer with children to cause the Israeli's to call off anticipated airstrikes against them (each one of those is a separate instance). Some nice info to digest or More fun pics<--- if you go by those pictures alone you can wonder what kind of soldier can get into a firefight and not hit any civilians. Those nice civilians made their bed. Now they have to sleep in it. Not shedding tears here.

Very smart of them actually although most of the press already has contacts with both Hamas and IDF. They also receive a number of photos from both side as you might have already noticed. Wouldn't help if a CNN report gets hit by an airstrike while interviewing a Hamas officer. Crackdown on the media alleviates some pressure since your average person can fathom what real war is like. Western newies would be eating up the dead bodies and creaming their pants to put it on TV and in print. We saw the same thing in Iraq.

The Israeli's found a tunnel 300yrd from the Gaza border. Not a water main, nor any other sort of social services tube. A special unit was sent to seal the tunnel. Was met by heavy gun fire skirmish ended shortly afterwards. Rockets and mortars soon follow and as well as Israeli reprisals. Rocket attacks kept getting larger and larger and larger. Negociations failed that week to reassume the cease fire. After a month the current mess happened. Is that the info you're seeking?

Sorry, your sources don't jive with other sources. Meds, fuel, and electricity have not cut off until the siege. They were reduced and the amount by which they were reduced was never contested by any country. Ironically Egypt not selling food, allowing medical supplies through, and not brokering an energy deal with Gaza was barely mentioned as a sidenote. So the question still stands. What about Egypt? And why are other Arab nations blaming Hamas for this? Wait, Arab nations agreeing with Israel? Is it cold because of winter or did hell just freeze over?


Hmm, who's been launching randomly targetted rockets that don't care if they hit military or civilian targets? Who fires mortars from the lawn of the Beit Hanoun Elementary School for Boys? Who fights in civilian clothing instead of a uniform? That would be Hamas.

Who uses precision 250lb guided bombs instead of carpet bombing an area? Who makes surgical strikes on Hamas officials instead of dropping 2000lb bombs on the area "just to be sure"? That would be Israel.


Huh?



Umm, why would we want to send out military to assist a terrorist organization? Why would we drop meds and aid in an area where everything is controlled by Hamas? Do you think that Hamas won't redistribute this stuff "taken from a dead zionist pig" to their people? Do you think Hamas won't hoard it or sell it as they've done it in the past? Even Jordan complained

So after all the railing you specifically done against the US playing referee in Iraq you want them to do the same in Gaza? Seriously?

If the UN has a single ounce of testicular fortitude they would have invaded Palestine, blocked Israel from entering, and forcefully disarmed and dismantled Hamas. But I have a better chance of winning the lottery than that ever happening.

There's no fence riding in this war and after the propoganda loss last time Israel isn't going to cave as easily as they did the last time. They aren't going run back home with their tails tucked under them this time. Palestinians had better learn that there are consequences if you cheerlead for Hamas. Unfortunately they're learning that the hard way. Unfortunately I don't see them supporting a moderate government anytime soon.

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Keorythe

He's been willing to speak out on a number of interests before. He's been very vocal on the economy, Afghanistan, climate, africa, prop 8, and the UN.

*Breaking news: Obama speaks out.

He's deeply concerned..... Oh and GWB should be the sole voice for US policy on this subject right now. Wait, what happened to "the transition", the office of the president-elect, or the fact that he's technically still a Senator? Oh yeah, better to keep his hands clean and try to sweep up the pieces assuming the fight ends before the 20th. Better PR that way.

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Freedom is... never more than one generation away from extinction. Every generation has to learn how to protect and defend it, or it’s gone and gone for a long, long time- Ronald Reagan

bhkad

Tanks against flesh is very much war. Palestinian intransigence pits tanks against flesh and flesh against conscience.

The Arab intelligentsia lives to put the Palestinian people in a position to be slaughtered in a grotesque manner.

That is the Palestinian tank.

And if the Intelligentsia cares so little for their own flesh that they leave it to the mercy of their enemy, do not complain when the enemy shows an equal disdain for the sacrificial flesh.

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OBL 11/24/02

niftydrifty

Mmmmmkay.

You've made an assumption that I seem to have taken a side in this thing. Both sides can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.

The current conflict didn't begin in November. Or last summer. Or in 1967. Or in 1947. It started over 100 years ago, when Zionists aggressively displaced native Muslims with the help of the English. Said native Muslims have acted desperately as a result ever since ... and, well, it's all very reprehensible. But it's also the way of the world, if you want something as the Zionists did. Native Palestinians didn't play the game as well. They lost.

I really don't like bullies. But as a Christian, I also don't think violence is a reasonable response, for me or for anyone else.

So ... Chickens. Roost. Etc.

Did you know the whole current conflict was predicted by anti-Zionist Jews living in the region about 100 years ago? What a mess it is, that has been made.

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bhkad

The sovereignty of every land on Earth has been decided by the group who used superior force to assert their claim to the land over those who also wanted the land.

The Israelis have used superior force and tactics to defeat all their challengers every time since they became a nation in 1948. Yet, they have been lenient in dealing with the Palestinians. But their seeming lenience has been a curse to the Palestinians as well as to the Israelis.

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OBL 11/24/02

Tashah

So can you.

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