Hamas Continues to Use Gaza's Residents as Human Shields

jallman · 01-07-09, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Degreez

That's basically what Bin Laden said when he referred to Americans as the idiots who voted Bush... twice.

Yeah, you would have a point if Bush were bent on the annihilation of another country, Bush had a penchant for attacking civilians, or any other number of reasons that Bush is nothing like Hamas. Wanna try again?

Degreez · 01-07-09, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jallman

Yeah, you would have a point if Bush were bent on the annihilation of another country, Bush had a penchant for attacking civilians, or any other number of reasons that Bush is nothing like Hamas. Wanna try again?

Not my reasoning. Just you and Bin Laden that have the same reasoning here.

jallman · 01-07-09, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Degreez

Not my reasoning. Just you and Bin Laden that have the same reasoning here.

If that is what you believe, you don't have a firm grasp on reason.

gunner · 01-08-09, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1

Third, neither of us are aware of the actual circumstances during which the Israeli soldiers were under mortar fire.

There is no evidence that the IDF intended to harm civilians or had reckless disregard for civilian safety. The measures Israel has taken ranging from allowing humanitarian aid to continue to flow into the Gaza Strip to "roof-knocking" (even as those warnings may lead Hamas terrorists to flee) demonstrate that Israel is making strong efforts to minimize harm to civilians.

It seems you may have to eat some of your words. As reported on BBCNEWS24 7-1-09 @ 22.00 Jeremy Bowen respected War correspondent and Author of "SIX DAYS" how the 1967 war shaped the Middle East has stated,

"Irrespective of the official IDF version of events at the school, many Israeli diplomats are saying there were no Hamas fighters within the school grounds"

with a quick browse this morning there are many sources running this story,

EXTRA: UN: Israel admits rocket fire was not from within school : Middle East World

"The Israeli army is briefing diplomats privately that the militant fire from Jablia yesterday did not come from inside the UNRWA school compound, but from the outside," said Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief Works Agency, which aids Palestinian refugees.

Gaza school massacre The Heathlander

“The Israeli army is briefing diplomats privately that the militant fire from Jablia yesterday did not come from inside the UNRWA school compound, but from the outside,” said Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief Works Agency, which aids Palestinian refugees. Gunness said the claim was a “major allegation against a neutral UN development agency” which “within a day turns out to be completely baseless.”

Hopefully the IDF will take notice of the Israeli supreme court ruling [which stated Foreign Journalists should NOT be denied access to the Gaza Strip] and they we will get some verification of these stories.

Paul.

bub · 01-08-09, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I am so numb and desensitized to the the whole "B-b-b-but the poor civiliaaaaanssssssss" argument when it comes to Palestine. I find civilians who elected Hamas just as culpable as Hamas.

you don't answer the post. Tashah says they don't wear uniforms, but when you type "hamas members" on google they always have a kind of uniform.

Billo_Really · 01-08-09, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I am so numb and desensitized to the the whole "B-b-b-but the poor civiliaaaaanssssssss" argument when it comes to Palestine. I find civilians who elected Hamas just as culpable as Hamas.

And by the same token, I hold all these brain-dead assholes who voted for George Bush culpable for all his war crimes. But what about the Jewish people that voted for Menachem Begin to be Prime Minister of Israel. Do you find them culpable as well? Begin was in a group that did the same terrorist **** Hamas does.

In 1948, when Begin was visiting the US, a letter was written to the New York Times about him saying...

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...to shun Begin, arguing, "It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents."

Begin’s new party was then participating in the Israeli election, .

It went on to say...

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"Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character."

And in that letter, it described things Begin and the boys were doing that strangly mimic what Hamas is doing.

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They included the systematic terrorizing of innocent Palestinian men, women and children in an effort to force them to flee the territory that Begin’s party claimed for the new state of Israel

And before you think it was written by some whack job nutcase, the author of the letter was Albert Einstein.

Billo_Really · 01-08-09, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bub

you don't answer the post. Tashah says they don't wear uniforms, but when you type "hamas members" on google they always have a kind of uniform.

Why should they wear uniforms?

The Israeli's shoot at anything that moves.

Billo_Really · 01-08-09, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1
There is no evidence that the IDF intended to harm civilians or had reckless disregard for civilian safety

You mean aside from the 111 dead children?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 01-08-09, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Degreez

That's basically what Bin Laden said when he referred to Americans as the idiots who voted Bush... twice.

He did? Can you link and quote this?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 01-08-09, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

You mean aside from the 111 dead children?

Wait, how does that prove INTENT?

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