Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror

donsutherland1 · 07-31-08, 01:52 PM

From today's edition of Haaretz:

The son of a Hamas MP who is also the most popular figure in that extremist Islamic organization, a young man who assisted his father for years in his political activities, has become a rank-and-file Christian...

Nor does he attempt to hide his affection for Israel, or his abhorrence of everything representing the surroundings in which he grew up: the nation, the religion, the organization...

"You Jews should be aware: You will never, but never have peace with Hamas. Islam, as the ideology that guides them, will not allow them to achieve a peace agreement with the Jews. They believe that tradition says that the Prophet Mohammed fought against the Jews and that therefore they must continue to fight them to the death... An entire society sanctifies death and the suicide terrorists. In Palestinian culture a suicide terrorist becomes a hero, a martyr. Sheikhs tell their students about the 'heroism of the shaheeds.'"

Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror - Haaretz - Israel News

Summerwind · 07-31-08, 01:57 PM

I notice they fail to mention his age. This sounds like a typical story for a young man trying to find his own identity from a strong father/parent. Let me see what he says when he's well into middle age. If he is already in middle age, then I'll consider taking his spin of things more seriously, but he is still in the honeymoon phase of his new life. I won't give him credibility for another five years.

Vader · 07-31-08, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

I notice they fail to mention his age. This sounds like a typical story for a young man trying to find his own identity from a strong father/parent. Let me see what he says when he's well into middle age. If he is already in middle age, then I'll consider taking his spin of things more seriously, but he is still in the honeymoon phase of his new life. I won't give him credibility for another five years.

His age was likely omitted for security reasons. It's harder to identify a target when you the certain details such as age, location, habbits, ect ...

It's not much security but it is a start.

ALso ... I agree with your credibility assesment. I want proof he isn't a hamas spy.

bhkad · 08-01-08, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

I notice they fail to mention his age. This sounds like a typical story for a young man trying to find his own identity from a strong father/parent. Let me see what he says when he's well into middle age. If he is already in middle age, then I'll consider taking his spin of things more seriously, but he is still in the honeymoon phase of his new life. I won't give him credibility for another five years.

You won't give him credibility for another five years???

For saying something like that I won't give him another five years.

PERIOD!

bhkad · 08-01-08, 12:37 AM

I doubt that Masab Yousef and Walid Shoebat will be getting together anytime soon to break bread like in the story, but I know they'd have a lot to share.

YouTube - Interview With Walid Shoebat Part I

YouTube - Walid Shoebat-Ex-Islamist Speaks against Islam

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Biography of Walid Shoebat

Born in Bethlehem of Judea, Walid's grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem (The Shepherd's Fields) and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler.

Walid's great grandfather, Abdullah Ali Awad-Allah, was also a fighter and close associate of both Abdul Qader and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, who led the Palestinians against Israel. Walid lived through and witnessed Israel’s Six Day War while living in Jericho.

As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusalem's central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.

After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.

In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

Driven by a deep passion to heal his own soul, and to bring the truth about the Jews and Israel to the world, Walid shed his former life and his work as a software engineer and set out to tirelessly bring the cause of Israel to tens of thousands of people throughout the world: churches and synagogues, civic groups, government leaders and media.

Walid has written several online books including "Dear Muslim, Let Me Tell You Why I Believed" and "Israel, And The World's Mock Trial”, where he exposes anti-Semitism and the hatred of Jews in both the Islamic Christian and secular worlds.

Walid is an American citizen and lives in the USA with his wife and children, under this assumed name.

Engagements:

Walid has spoken all over America and the world including Chile, Mexico, Canada, UK and South Africa. He has appeared on national television also all over the world including CNN, CNN International, FOX News, ITN, RTE, NBC, CBS, and ABC. He has also been featured on BBC radio 4 and 5.

Speaking Highlights

* Harvard Law School lecture
* Special forum on Capital Hill Washington DC
* Columbia Unversity lecture
* Concordia University
* UCLA, USC, University of Georgia, Washington University, Penn State, San Diego State and many others.

jallman · 08-01-08, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

I notice they fail to mention his age. This sounds like a typical story for a young man trying to find his own identity from a strong father/parent. Let me see what he says when he's well into middle age. If he is already in middle age, then I'll consider taking his spin of things more seriously, but he is still in the honeymoon phase of his new life. I won't give him credibility for another five years.

For one thing, the article states that he is "son of a Hamas MP who is also the most popular figure in that extremist Islamic organization" and that the young man assisted in his father's political activities. That tells me he isn't some 18 year old with an idealistic outlook on life driving his decisions. He took a huge risk in doing what he did.

However, I know that the conversion process can make a person feel invincible and that affirmations of solidarity with other Christians can be rather inflammatory and thoughtless during this time so I wonder if he might have been a little more heavy with his rhetoric than he intended to be.

MC.no.spin · 08-01-08, 01:24 AM

Yes he does sound heavy on the rhetoric. Never say never. Peaceful relations can exist.

I have the same theory for Palestine as I do for Iran as to how this will occur.

Internet activism and networking.

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"The Web makes networking much easier, for political activists as well as teenagers," Reporters Without Borders said in its annual report for 2007. "Unfortunately, this progress and use of new tools by activists is now being matched by the efforts of dictatorships to fight them. Dictators, too, have entered the world of Web 2.0."

Internet regulations vary widely across the Middle East. Predictably, the most authoritarian governments have the most aggressive filters, but even some without advanced censorship systems have prosecuted bloggers for controversial postings on religion or politics.

Just as Internet users have banded together on social networking sites to challenge the wave of censorship, the region's governments also are uniting to share filtering software and the latest online surveillance technology, activists said.

"Now there's some common work among the Arab governments to censor the Internet. They're acting like they're fighting terrorists," said Ihab al Zalaky, the managing editor of a respected Egyptian newspaper and the chief author of a comprehensive report last year on regional Internet censorship. "There's no good news. They're all making it harder for people to access the Internet."

Only four Arab countries have little or no filtering: Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan and Egypt — but Egyptian politicians are considering a law that would criminalize some online activity.

At the other end of the spectrum are Saudi Arabia and Syria, consistently described by human rights groups as the most hostile toward the Internet. The rest of the region falls somewhere in between, with governments importing the latest technology to narrow the number of sites available to the public and drafting laws to curb online dissent.

The prohibitions have led to an explosion in circumventors, proxy servers that allow Internet users to bypass workplace or government filters. In cyber cafes from Damascus to Dubai, patrons furtively browse blocked sites and swap Web addresses for the latest "proxies."

The most tech-savvy young Arabs and Iranians use new proxies every day, trying to stay a step ahead of government censors.

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 12/26/2007 | Middle East censors seek to limit Web access

One key thing the Internet can do is spread the truth. A key lie that holds hostilities in place with Isreal is the fact they teach all of their youths that the Holocaust never happened to the Jews. Letting the one truth out that this denial is a lie, and the whole Truman Show is busted for these cult like followers of radical Islam. Their drug like spell on 72 mansions and 72 virgins will come down like a house of cards. Heck, after that they will be ripe for converting into Christianity.

Joe Hill · 08-07-08, 06:32 PM

Christianity is a society that instills and practices terrorism from hellfire to war. A curse on it, and all those who promote it!

2cool4school · 08-07-08, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Hill

Christianity is a society that instills and practices terrorism from hellfire to war. A curse on it, and all those who promote it!

Not anymore, and even its past is far less blood drenched than Islam's.

jallman · 08-07-08, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Hill

Christianity is a society that instills and practices terrorism from hellfire to war. A curse on it, and all those who promote it!

Yay, another stupid cartoon with no relevance to anything that was being discussed. Trustafarian, go home.