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Old 07-06-08, 05:01 PM   #31 (permalink)
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No they can't. After the nuclear targets, production and launch facilities for long range missiles will be the first target. Iran will certainly get missiles off, but they will have a very tough time maintaining a sustained barrage.
Iranians can built rockets in the mines like Germans did. They are smart and they have enough mountains.

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Israel won't have to call up the reservists. Only the IAF is going to have to fight, and the IAF doesn't use that many personnel. Armor and infantry won't have to be called up.
Yes, Israelis can leave it to the IAF and look how Israel gets destroyed bit by bit until it's gone.
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Old 07-06-08, 05:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yes, Israelis can leave it to the IAF and look how Israel gets destroyed bit by bit until it's gone.
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Debating in poor style again?
Just underscoring the obvious.

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So I take it, you think, there is no two-month timeframe for Iranian rockets.
No Volker. Let's try it again. Hamas and Hizb'Allah could not sustain beyond two months.

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The answer is your Arrow system then? I was always under the impression that these kind of systems do much more harm to Israel than to the rockets coming into Israel.
You were never good with impressions.

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This is one of the reasons why I was thinking of it a being a little strange, when Israel borrowed a German Patriot system a few years ago.
The Arrow system is relatively new and was co-developed by Israel and the US. In essence, it is a fourth generation Patriot augmented with additional Israeli technology.

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Look, even idiots can understand this.
That doesn't say very much for you then does it?
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Old 07-06-08, 05:20 PM   #34 (permalink)
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That doesn't say very much for you then does it?
It doesn't say very much for people who don't get it. I get it.
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Old 07-06-08, 05:23 PM   #35 (permalink)
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you were ... when you wrote this, right?
No, I didn't.

Kinda reminds me on the the answer you gave to Shannan like four years ago: Try to grow up.

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Iranians can built rockets in the mines like Germans did. They are smart and they have enough mountains.
Building a highly precise large rocket is quite difficult in a mine. It would dramatically decrease production. Not to mention that bombing the entrance enough to collapse it would require extra time to remove the rubble. Furthermore, the rockets have to be moved outside to be used. Stopping production entirely wouldn't be possible, but you could slow it to a trickle.

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Yes, Israelis can leave it to the IAF and look how Israel gets destroyed bit by bit until it's gone.
With what exactly? 2000 pound warheads can cause significant damage, but you need massive numbers to do anything on a strategic scale. Iran can't muster the firepower at such long range. In addition, Israel might start removing restrictions on minimizing collateral damage if they took serious damage. Either way, Iran can't possible hope to win. At best, they can hope to destroy themselves along with Israel.
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Building a highly precise large rocket is quite difficult in a mine. It would dramatically decrease production. Not to mention that bombing the entrance enough to collapse it would require extra time to remove the rubble. Furthermore, the rockets have to be moved outside to be used. Stopping production entirely wouldn't be possible, but you could slow it to a trickle.
I doubt, the IAF has these resources.

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With what exactly? 2000 pound warheads can cause significant damage, but you need massive numbers to do anything on a strategic scale. Iran can't muster the firepower at such long range. In addition, Israel might start removing restrictions on minimizing collateral damage if they took serious damage. Either way, Iran can't possible hope to win. At best, they can hope to destroy themselves along with Israel.
From all what we know, both countries, Iran and Israel are at least able to produce WMD's. The idea of Israeli troops invading and controlling Iran seems absurd to me.
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The idea of Israeli troops invading and controlling Iran seems absurd to me.
It is absurd. Once Iran becomes uninhabitable, there is no need to invade.
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I doubt, the IAF has these resources.
The IAF has enough planes to get the job done. They can adapt hundreds of plane for ground attack. Meanwhile, Iran has very limited capability in building something advanced like long range missiles. It would have a hard time replacing scientists and engineers lost to air attacks or assassination.

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From all what we know, both countries, Iran and Israel are at least able to produce WMD's. The idea of Israeli troops invading and controlling Iran seems absurd to me.
WMD's? Iran obviously can't make nukes, and chemical or biological weapons have little military value. Israel wont invade with its troops. Israel has the biggest advantage in the air, and little reason to want ground combat. The IAF can deliver airstrikes with impunity and Iran has very little capability for counterattack.
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So I'm guessing you see no problem with Isreal having the only nukes in the immediate region? I think that is just wrong. If Isreal, the US, Pakistan, and India can have them, and I understand that they do, then I see no reason Iran shouldn't have them.
The reason Iran should not have them is because their national goal is to expand their extremist ideology which does not even measure up to the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Iran's government doesn't believe that all people are born free and equal in dignity and rights.

Iran's government doesn't believe that everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms that Muslims are. They don't believe that women, infidels or even Muslims who don't endorse their brand of extremism is equal to them.

Would you want the Ku Klux Klan, if they had a nation of their own, to have Nuclear weapons?

Would you have wanted the Nazis to have nukes?

Hmmm...wait a minute. Someone arguing as you are here just might feel warm and fuzzy about those murderous racists and bigots.

I'll try this.

Would you give a nation of misogynistic wife abusers nuclear weapons?

I dunno, that still may be in the sympathetic category as far as you are concerned.

Darn it.

I KNOW!!!

Would you argue to give a nation full of Rev. Pat Robertson or the late Jerry Falwell's fundamentalist Christian followers nuclear weapons?

(This still isn't a closely matched comparison until or unless fundie Christians actually started wars and sought to overthrow governments by force and subversion and did all the other things that Iran does.)
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