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Old 08-12-08, 09:50 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I'm glad you're sorry.

I knew using American names would probably raiuse hackles in those who haven't studied their history regarding how the colonial British viewed the actions of the "Sons of Liberty".

Sons of Liberty: Patriots or Terrorists? | Early America Review Fall 96

This comes down to perspective and history. And don't throw modern 21st century tactics into the argument, the British Govt of the day saw actions by American revolutionaries as treasonable and punishable by death.
It is perspective, but it's also two completely different things, not comparable in MHO.
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Old 08-12-08, 10:31 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Yes, and straight after that I asked you this...

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What direct question? and how loaded was it since it was not based on fact? I have answered everything.
Again... I explained several times that "terrorist" and "freedom fighter/revolutionary" is a matter of perspective. You obviously view Adams and the Sons of Liberty from one angle - so the questions I asked were what do you think the British viewed them as?

You'll obviously say you don't care how the Brits viewed them and we will go round the houses again. However - you care enough to label Mandela a terrorist or Arafat - but are unwilling to recognise that from a Palestinian perspective or that of a black South African there are different views.


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It is perspective,
Care to explain this to the good Rev?

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but it's also two completely different things, not comparable in MHO.
I'd be interested in how you come to that decision.... Terrorist or Revolutionary - the goals tend to be similar but the tactics are different (and often related to the technology and practice of the day.

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Why do you say the sons of liberty (nee Adams) situation is not applicable? Not every colonist wanted independence and certainly the use of violence and intimidation against Stamp Agents and those who might have taken on employment as Stamp Agents can not be counted as soldier vs soldier type fighting or even warfare.

Or are you going to take the position of our good Reverend that because they are or were Americans the charge cannot be laid at their feet?
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Yes, and straight after that I asked you this...

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Answered many times already, the fact that you have chosen NOT to accept my answer is on you my friend, not me.

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Again... I explained several times that "terrorist" and "freedom fighter/revolutionary" is a matter of perspective. You obviously view Adams and the Sons of Liberty from one angle - so the questions I asked were what do you think the British viewed them as?

Why don't you link to them thinking them terrorists and be done with it. The fact that the redcoats may have viewed them one way has little to do with reality.


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You'll obviously say you don't care how the Brits viewed them and we will go round the houses again. However - you care enough to label Mandela a terrorist or Arafat - but are unwilling to recognise that from a Palestinian perspective or that of a black South African there are different views.

Right, and those views are wrong.


You have failed to show me the terrorist acts of Adams. That is what I have been asking.


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Nice try, at least you retain your sense of humour.


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Answered many times already, the fact that you have chosen NOT to accept my answer is on you my friend, not me.
Ad hom is not an answer. I don't recognise your posts as factual answers - more like exercises in dodging.

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Why don't you link to them thinking them terrorists and be done with it. The fact that the redcoats may have viewed them one way has little to do with reality.
Interesting that the word "terrorist" enters the english language only in 1795 so it is not as cut and dried as this. That was actually the first good question you ask. Redcoats is one thing, however vigilante violence, mob intimidation and tarring and feathering of civilians is another.

Anyhow - I have many academic references but are you a member of JSTOR? if not, here's a good start for you to tell you of the violence committed on innocent civilians... The Complete Idiot's Guide to the American Revolution

If you can access Oxford University papers - I will happily give you links. However you need to pay to view them.

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You have failed to show me the terrorist acts of Adams. That is what I have been asking.
In the same way Arafat's organisation committed acts of violence on innocent civilians you will find countless references to "Sons of Violence" "tarring and Feathering by Sons of Liberty" and "Sons of Iniquity" on the web. However, if you want peer reviewed academic references -

Full text search | British History Online

I am a member of the British History website, however you again need to pay to view historic documents. If not, you own Library of Congress should help.

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The Good Reverend never "tries" he is like nike and just does it.
You're female? Or you didn't know "Nike" was female...
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