Lebanon Rejects Peace Negotiations with Israel

donsutherland1 · 06-18-08, 03:30 PM

Today, Haaretz reported:

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora rejected Israel's call for direct, bilateral talks to reach a peace deal between the two bordering countries...

Government spokesman Mark Regev said earlier Wednesday that Israel is interested in talks that would bring every issue of contention to the table. He said the talks would also cover a key border dispute over the Shaba Farms, a small piece of land controlled by Israel, the dispute over which is a key sticking point between Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

As noted previously in various posted messages on the Middle East, Arab rejectionism and not Israeli "occupation" remains the principal barrier to regional peace. This latest development again puts the spotlight on the rejectionism that continues to obstruct progress that could lead to regionwide peace.

shuamort · 06-18-08, 03:43 PM

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"Lebanon's position is known and that there is no cause for bilateral negotiations with Israel," a statement from Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora's office said.

"Lebanon remains attached to the Arab peace initiative which calls for a just and comprehensive peace," the statement added.

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The Arab Peace Initiative (As proposed by the Saudi Gov't)

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The plan consists of a proposal to end the Arab-Israeli conflict. It offers Israel normalization of relations and comprehensive peace agreements with Arab countries in exchange for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from all the Occupied Territories including the Golan Heights, and the recognition of "an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital," as well as a "just solution" for the Palestinian refugees.[1]

The initiative is based upon:

The principle of Land for peace.
The conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties.
The goals of the initiative are:

Full Israeli withdrawal from all the Arab territories occupied since June 1967
Implementation of United Nations Security Council resolutions 242 and 338.
The establishment of an independent Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital
A just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem, to be agreed upon in accordance with section 11 of UN General Assembly Resolution 194.
The normalization of relations in the context of a comprehensive peace
At the request of Lebanon, the fourth section stipulated that Palestinians would not be patriated at the expense of "the special circumstances of the Arab host countries" - understood[citation needed] to refer to Lebanon's demographic balance.

OK, so I see where this would involve the part of Lebanon under issue. And then I see the following:

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Israeli Prime Minister Olmert has welcomed the plan, with reservations on a pull back from East Jerusalem (which is part of Israel's capital) and resettlement of Palestinians in Israel proper. Arab leaders complain, however, that the peace process is stalled and threaten to withdraw their proposal unless they obtain an explicit acceptance of it by Israel

So it sounds like Israel is cool with the Lebanon part of this plan. Why not just do it and get that part over with then? What am I missing?

Vader · 06-18-08, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

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The Arab Peace Initiative (As proposed by the Saudi Gov't)

OK, so I see where this would involve the part of Lebanon under issue. And then I see the following:

So it sounds like Israel is cool with the Lebanon part of this plan. Why not just do it and get that part over with then? What am I missing?

Notice that the arabs want everything they want but they are unwilling to meet Israel half way.

Typical terrorist agenda.

Joby · 06-19-08, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

Notice that the arabs want everything they want but they are unwilling to meet Israel half way.

Typical terrorist agenda.

'Alright Adolf, you can have Flanders. Now, can we get Normandy back?'

Seriously though, anybody who expects Lebanon to make a peace deal with Israel is as delusional as Ariel Sharon, and the rest of the idiot Likud Party, was when he launched a Blitzkrieg to Beirut thinking he could reach that goal. Because of its makeup, I would bet that Lebanon will be among the last to make a peace treaty with Israel.

shuamort · 06-19-08, 05:53 PM

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Notice that the arabs want everything they want but they are unwilling to meet Israel half way.

Typical terrorist agenda.

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Notice that the Israelites want everything they want but they are unwilling to meet arabs half way.

Typical terrorist agenda.

Both sides can claim that sentiment and your statement adds nothing to the debate.

Vader · 06-19-08, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

Both sides can claim that sentiment and your statement adds nothing to the debate.

Ummm... No.

There are actually hizballah terrorists in Lebanon. There are no terrorists in Israel. Sure ... bad things happen in war; however, Israel doesn't kidnap people and they do not harbor terrorists.

shuamort · 06-20-08, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vader

Ummm... No.

There are actually hizballah terrorists in Lebanon. There are no terrorists in Israel. Sure ... bad things happen in war; however, Israel doesn't kidnap people and they do not harbor terrorists.

Umm, yes. Like I said "both sides can claim that".

And They Call Us Terrorists ...
by Amir Meshkin

Israel as a Terrorist State

Feel free to read both arguments in the links. And then get back on topic.

Vader · 06-23-08, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shuamort

Umm, yes. Like I said "both sides can claim that".

And They Call Us Terrorists ...
by Amir Meshkin

Israel as a Terrorist State

Feel free to read both arguments in the links. And then get back on topic.

My my my ... Joby's nose is an interesting shade of brown.

As I said ... you're incorrect. The Israelis do not teach children to be suicide bombers. The Isamics do. You need to accept this fact and move on.

Vader · 06-23-08, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joby

'Alright Adolf, you can have Flanders. Now, can we get Normandy back?'

Seriously though, anybody who expects Lebanon to make a peace deal with Israel is as delusional as Ariel Sharon, and the rest of the idiot Likud Party, was when he launched a Blitzkrieg to Beirut thinking he could reach that goal. Because of its makeup, I would bet that Lebanon will be among the last to make a peace treaty with Israel.

Says who? You?

The Lebanese government has never been that bright to begin with. They allowed some terrorist douchebags from Iran to gain a foot hold in their country because they lack the sack to kick Hizballah back to Iran.

shuamort · 06-23-08, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

My my my ... Joby's nose is an interesting shade of brown.

As I said ... you're incorrect. The Israelis do not teach children to be suicide bombers. The Isamics do. You need to accept this fact and move on.

I expect those that want to debate to hold themselves up to a certain standard. Use sources and evidence to buttress their claims. Since you're continually failing to do this, I have no choice but to dismiss your posts as irrelevant. Feel free to redeem yourself and debate with facts and sources or start your post with "this is my opinion and may or not contain reality in it".