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Old 06-04-08, 02:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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...have you ever been to Russia? Admittedly like every other American I've never been outside of the either St. Petersburg or Moscow but those places are unspeakable **** holes where the monstrously wealthy probably drown babies for fun while the police rob or beat everyone they can get their vodka fogged eyes on.

The only thing that made life bearable for Russians was that they could wantonly abuse Caucasian immigrants with impunity.
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...have you ever been to Russia?
I spend more time in Russia than in Germany meanwhile.

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Admittedly like every other American I've never been outside of the either St. Petersburg or Moscow but those places are unspeakable **** holes where the monstrously wealthy probably drown babies for fun while the police rob or beat everyone they can get their vodka fogged eyes on.
Moscow is a melting pot just like New York. Many people go there to make their luck. I have friends there who became rather wealthy there within a short time. I did not spend much time in Moscow myself.

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The only thing that made life bearable for Russians was that they could wantonly abuse Caucasian immigrants with impunity.
I have seen one Caucasian immigrant in my life, he fixed something in the appartment where I lived. They said he charged me 50 rubel extra, because he knew that I am from Germany and he thought like Germans are rich. I don't know if it's true. Well, 50 rubel are like two dollars, this is not that much extra for a craftman's hour.
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I spend more time in Russia than in Germany meanwhile.

Moscow is a melting pot just like New York. Many people go there to make their luck. I have friends there who became rather wealthy there within a short time. I did not spend much time in Moscow myself.

I have seen one Caucasian immigrant in my life, he fixed something in the appartment where I lived. They said he charged me 50 rubel extra, because he knew that I am from Germany and he thought like Germans are rich. I don't know if it's true. Well, 50 rubel are like two dollars, this is not that much extra for a craftman's hour.
- I know somebody who's going to Moscow in September. Do you know a good restaurant/have you got tips for tourists?

- It's strange that Americans refer to white people as "caucasian", as actual caucasians rather look...kazakhs!
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no, that's what I meant, immigrants from the Caucuses
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no, that's what I meant, immigrants from the Caucuses
I know, but they are not really white, that's why it is strange!
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no, that's what I meant, immigrants from the Caucuses
aren't they Iowans
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- It's strange that Americans refer to white people as "caucasian", as actual caucasians rather look...kazakhs!
Kazakhs are a Turkish people, but I think, they look much more Asian than the people from Caucasus.
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Old 06-09-08, 05:29 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Hi, I'm new to the forums. I am an Israeli and I've been living here ever since I was born. I'd like to clarify several aspects of Israel, as I know many people have a wrong view of the reality here. It's nice to see that certain people ask questions, and don't relay on the media's reports.

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- have you got contacts with Palestinians? Do you talk to them or is it a completely separated community?
Many people have contacts with Israeli-Arabs, who have an Israeli citizenship and generally live in Israel-Arab cities, such as Tira. They don't usually live with Israelis but many Jews have Muslim friends (I myself don't have any but I know people that have Muslim friends) Before the second Intifada, many Israelis used to have contacts with Palestinians in Gaza, for example. However, after the Intifada begun there were several occurrences of Palis that lured their Israeli friends and killed them, and it ended.

It's not like they are completely separated from us. They are free to go wherever they want and it's very common to see them walking in malls and shopping areas.

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- are there differences with these contacts in function of the part of the country (close to Gaza, Lebanese frontier, south, east...) you live in?
Well, once people that lived close to Gaza had contacts with Palis but it ended. People that live near Israeli-Arab cities still have contacts with them - I live in such a city and it's very common for Jews to go shopping there. In the south, there are Bedouins that live in the outskirts of large cities, such as Beer Sheva.

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- do the anti-terrorist measures (checkpoints, wall...) affect your everyday life?
No - many people have a mistaken view about the checkpoints. They usually consist of a few soldiers that stop each car, take a peek at its passengers, and promptly request to see documents. As for the wall, only Pali cities that have been the source of a lot of terrorists have this wall.

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- what do you think about the "ultraorthodox" Israelis who settle in "palestinian aera"? Are they numerous?
The people that settle in the so-called Palestinian area, are not usually ultraorthodox. Most are religious people, but they are not religious fanatics. They settle there mainly because these are areas that are great for farming, and pretty cheap too. I think it's their right. This is our territory and we needn't use it as a buffer-zone for trading with them. However, sometimes their actions are not justified and it has to be said that the settlers often have a very bad image, which is a common source for jokes, costumes in Purim (which is a holiday when all Israelis wear costumes) and satire in TV.

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- what do you think about the Israelis who refuse to do their military duty? Are they seen as traitors? Are they numerous?
These are people that usually live in what we call a bubble (Tel Aviv, for example), and don't realize that everybody must serve in the army to protect his homeland. Instead of choosing to change what they find wrong, they choose to create a lot of fuss to get attention, sadly. They too have a very bad view in public. They are really a very small minority - and I say this honestly. However, they get much publicity from MSM and that is not surprising. About 75% of people in my high school go to combat units - that means elite units such as Golani, and units that operate in combat areas. The rest go to the army too, usually to computing units or what we call 'Jobnics' - work in offices.

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- what do you think about the "new Israelis" (I read that many Jews came from Russia after 1990)? Are there different communities of Israelis who speak different languages and customs?
While I'm not Russian, my parents did come from Lithuania (former soviet union) in 1991, so I can answer this from a first POV. These 'new Israelis' have contributed in many fields such as high-tech, research and development. Others work in physical jobs. However, it has to be said that because of problems with their adoption in the general community (or better said: their unwillingness to do so), many drop out of schools and perform crimes. This leads me to your next question - yes, there are such communities. It has to be said that second generation Israelis (apart from certain minorities) usually blend in with the general public and you won't be able to spot the difference between them. However, there are communities in certain cities. Mainly we're talking about Russians and Ethiopians, the latter having big problems with their adoption in the general public. Also, there are American and English communities but they are smaller.

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- have you got contacts with the Jewish diaspora in Europe/USA?
Yes, I have had contacts with the Jewish community in Toronto, for example.

I hope I addressed at least some of your concerns

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