Vader

The sheer level of propaganda Jenin spews just blows my mind.

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Jenin

I have gotten used to your incessant ignorant barking, but I do believe that you are not not mentally retarded, and therefore I will try to help correct some facts for you...

1) Al-Aqsa is the name of the mosque, constructed in the noble sanctuary. It lies across the Golden Dome of the Rock.

When the muslims drove the romans from jerusalem, this was the condition of the temple mount/noble sanctuary...


Then Umar asked the Patriach to lead him to the place of the old Jewish Temple. Umar was shocked to find the site covered in rubbish, as the Romans had initiated the custom of using it as a dung heap. `Umar imemdiately knelt down immediately, and began to clear the area with his hands. When the Muslims saw what he was doing, they followed his example, and soon the entire area of al-Aqsa, approximately 35 acres, was cleaned up. Thereafter, commissioned the construction of a wooden mosque on the southern end of the site, exactly where the present-day mosque of Al-Aqsa stands.

`Umar was then led to the sites of the Foundation Stone by a rabbi, Ka'ab al-Ahbar, who had converted to Islam. The rock was surrounded it by a fence, and several years later an Umayyad Khalif built the Dome of the Rock over the site.

Upon taking Jerusalem, `Umar demonstrated the utmost respect for members of the other faiths living in the city. For the first time in 500 years since their expulsion from the Holy Land, Jews were allowed to practice their religion freely and live in the vicinity of Jerusalem. According to the Encyclopedia Judaica, seventy Jewish families took up residence in the city. `Umar also agreed to several pacts, called the Umariyya Covenant, with the local Christian population, determining their rights and obligations under Muslim rule.
Umar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) The Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades is a resistance organization formed during the second intifada and is affiliated to fatah, not hamas. The vast majority of the group layed down their arms and accepted president Mahmoud abbas' call to give negotiations a chance.

3) Al-Aqsa tv is is independently owned, and is not a state channel, as you would know had you read the article.

The military wing of Hamas is Izzidine al Qassam brigades, named after a champion of palestinian revolts against the brits and zionists.

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Red_Dave

This is very dishonest.There would be some justification for this point of view if Hamas had not deliberatly killed Isreali civillians, not because they where any threat or due to anything these individuals had done but because they where Isrealis. Therefore i think its more likely that for Hamas their conflict is motivated, at least in part, by sectarian hatread rather than being purely about achiveing political objectives.

Jenin

Red,

So if they were hindus or christians or some other zionist european movement that settled and occupied palestine they would not be targetted? Are you saying beduin and durze Israeli soldiers are not also targeted? If Hamas was blood thirsty for jewish blood, then I guarentee you every synagogue in Israel would be bombed overnight. The suicide bombing went down because Hamas ended it, not because of the wall. I do not think it is dishonest. I would agree with you that religious convictions do exist.

DivineComedy

Why not just fry that Spam with an argument? It would be more tasty.

Anyway, thank you for reminding me in this topic what a successful Nazi Holocaust and the Al-Aqsa mosque have in common, no Jews:

"We are not engaged in a religious conflict with Jews; this is a political struggle to free ourselves from occupation and oppression"

"And what this non islamic verses have to do with muslim ???" http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...post1057492829

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YUSUFALI: "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
PICKTHAL: And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,
SHAKIR: And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat and the Injeel."
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts

Unbelievers like you should be cast down from being king of the hill, but we should let your descendants visit the rock in the year 802701, after eons of peace, after probing their bung holes and vagina's for salami bombs.

"he knew what had triggered the alarm and proceeded to remove items from his rectum, including a rock, chewing gum and thin wire filament." ...
LAX passenger hides objects in his body; bomb squad called

“Rape is not an enemy but a technique of warfare -- political intimidation through the selective breeding of unarmed non-combatants.” (Zbigview Brznutski)
(Terrorized by 'War on Rape' - Washingtonpurplethrobbingpost)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post576896 (Terrorists or not terrorists?)

I have a valid argument for reaming your butt, but I look forward to your political argument for why Jews cannot visit the Temple Mount, devoid of "obligations under Muslim rule."

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Yeah, a wall and a border patrol will protect us. {sound of laughter}

DivineComedy

Oh, one more thing Jenin, you are free to use any valid arguments, including the ever popular rules of politically correct polytheistic debate which irrefutably argues Israel cannot "Say No to Islam."


"'Say No to Islam' is the same as saying 'Say No to Judaism' or saying 'Say No to Christianity, or saying 'Say No to Homosexuality'. Each statement attacks a group of people without differentiation, and is degrading, inciting, and prejudicial against the entire group or belief."
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post565487 (Say no to Islam, not on this forum)

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YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
PICKTHAL: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.
SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...post1057602682

If you want to argue that Israel must stop the illegal occupation, allow full right of return, and submit, by all means, my only big problem is with what you have shoved up your bung hole when in public.

partier9

wait are you denyig rockets being fired into Israel? If you are thats incredibly stupid of you.

Rockets fired into Israel from Lebanon - CNN.com

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sotrueblue

I think you mis-read.

The post I was responding to remarked that if Hamas stopped sending rockets then Israel would stop its attacks.

I said there's no proof of that.

partier9

o sorry i wasn't sure what you meant, well obvously there is no proof of that because Israel has been constantly attacked sense it was founded. But if they did stop firing missles than Israel would probably stop.

Volker

Zionist leaders saw handicapped and disabled people as a burden.

There was an agreement that Israel accepts Jewish Holocaust survivors if Germany pays for taking care of them. Meanwhile they have a secretary from the senior's party, who is thinking, that the calculations from former times were not close enough to actual costs. They want more money.