Taking Back the Debate Over Israel

Joe Hill · 04-30-08, 12:36 PM

Try as they might, AIPAC, ZioCons and NeoCon FOX bobble-heads cannot dehumanize the Palestinians or justify their terror attacks on Gaza to most of the world or an increasing number of Americans with news sources besides the pathetic MSM. Now the Jewish "silent majority" of Progressives and moderates have a voice in D.C.

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Taking Back the Debate Over Israel
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Sick of right-wing Jews speaking in their name, progressive American Jews have launched J Street to change the way the game is played in Washington.
By Gary Kamiya
29/04/08 "Salon" For years, liberal American Jews who have chafed under the taboo against criticizing Israel have dreamed of starting a political organization that would speak for them. Now, with the launch of J Street, that dream has become a reality.
Jeremy Ben-Ami, the group’s founder, says that the incident that drove him over the edge took place when he was working as policy director for Howard Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign. Dean said the U.S. should take an “evenhanded” approach to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, Ben-Ami recalled. He was immediately, and predictably, savaged as anti-Israeli and a coddler of terrorists. “All hell broke loose,” Ben-Ami said. “And this from a man who’s married to a Jewish woman, who’s raising kids in the Jewish faith, and is extremely pro-Israel in everything he’d ever said and done. But to use that one word, and then to have that cascade into a torrent, was just amazing to me. And it’s certainly been repeated and magnified with the attacks on Obama and some of his aides, some of them crossing any line that any of us should have about civil discourse. . .CUT”

YouTube - A new pro-peace, pro-Israel political voice (J Street)

galenrox · 04-30-08, 01:01 PM

Best of luck to them, may they be the first in history to succeed by attempting to negotiate without threat of violence with murderers.

Vader · 05-04-08, 02:47 AM

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Best of luck to them, may they be the first in history to succeed by attempting to negotiate without threat of violence with murderers.

I doubt anybody will ever be able to successfully negotiate with useless scumbags like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, or the hundreds of other associateed groups of muslim wackos.

Joe Hill · 05-06-08, 08:10 PM

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I doubt anybody will ever be able to successfully negotiate with useless scumbags like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, or the hundreds of other associateed groups of muslim wackos.

Especially anti-Semitic (Arabs are Semitic) Fascist wackos who think an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian one.

Vader · 05-08-08, 01:30 AM

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Especially anti-Semitic (Arabs are Semitic) Fascist wackos who think an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian one.

Yet more liberal rhetoric designed to detract from the subtle truth about the situation.

The Palestinians and their way of life make their lives less valuable and that is the truth. The Israelis do not blow themselves up because their religious leaders tell them to... the Palestinians do EXACTLY THAT.

The Palestinians teach hate and commit acts of indoctrination in their elementary schools. The Isaelis do not; nor do the Americas, Britons, French, or any other nation that has a government that is not infested with terrorst-ized Islamic idiology that supports race hate.

Billo_Really · 05-08-08, 01:33 AM

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Yet more liberal rhetoric designed to detract from the subtle truth about the situation.

The Palestinians and their way of life make their lives less valuable and that is the truth. The Israelis do not blow themselves up because their religious leaders tell them to... the Palestinians do EXACTLY THAT.

The Palestinians teach hate and commit acts of indoctrination in their elementary schools. The Isaelis do not; nor do the Americas, Britons, French, or any other nation that has a government that is not infested with terrorst-ized Islamic idiology that supports race hate.

You are an expert in "hate".

Joby · 05-08-08, 02:01 AM

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The Palestinians teach hate and commit acts of indoctrination in their elementary schools. The Isaelis do not; nor do the Americas, Britons, French, or any other nation that has a government that is not infested with terrorst-ized Islamic idiology that supports race hate.

So were did you pick it up?

bhkad · 05-08-08, 03:36 AM

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So were did you pick it up?

You have a point there. At least Muslims have the excuse that it's in the Koran. Whereas we Christians have no such excuse.

Nobody ever said loving your enemy was easy.

And here's a debatable assertion, but what the heck, we're all friends here. With America's technological and military superiority, at just about any time in the past 60 years, it is only because of our Christian ethos that there is an Ummah such as we know it today. Otherwise the same elementary conquer and domination impulses that are common to mankind, whether he be Neanderthal man or modern man (and those same impulses have been 'legitimized' by the Koran and serve to motivate the Islamists) would have prompted the West to neutralize all or most of Islam long before now.

So, let's keep in mind who it is that has risen above such basic animalistic impulses of hatred, violence and conquering the world and who still uses hatred as Nursery Rhymes and Kindergarten themes to poison their next generations.

CaptainCourtesy · 05-08-08, 03:37 AM

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Folks, debate the topic, do not attack other posters.

Infinite Chaos · 05-08-08, 05:42 AM

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Best of luck to them, may they be the first in history to succeed by attempting to negotiate without threat of violence with murderers.

Good Friday agreement? Peace in Northern Ireland? Doubtless there will be diehards on both sides of the religous divide in Northern Ireland who say they were betrayed but by most accounts and the growing business interests in Northern Ireland there is a precedent.

Northern Ireland Office // Key Issues // The Agreement

Which - whether you love or hate Tony Blair - is why he is there in the Middle East negotiaiting.