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Old 04-21-08, 01:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is confusing. One of you says 'its not Israel its Hamas thats doing the collective punishment - on their own people!' then the next one says 'its the people of gaza thats doing the collective punishment - on themselves!'. So who is it? Hamas or the Gazans or Israel?

You really need to remove the blinders you wear or are they biscuts? The Hamas cannot operate without the support of the local populace. If the people of Gaza didn’t approve of the actions of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad why don’t they protest, why don’t they condemn the daily attacks carried out by the Hamas?
If the blinders are biscuits, theyre not very good blinders. Theyre probably ring shape shortbread with a sugar dusting. Mediocre dunking material, bah!
Im only wanting to know which it is thats doing the punishment. Your side of the debate seems to be confused, is it Hamas or gazans?



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To save confusion, perhaps you should stop the spinning, take a deep breath, sip your tea and admit that Israel is indeed doing the collective punishment and that you are happy with that cos in your opinion they deserve everything they get!

The only confusion here is on your part. Maybe you need to cut back on your tea intake because it’s turning you into a whiner crying “Victim hood”.
Who is crying victimhood? Not me. I just know from your comments that you think the Gazans deserve what they get from Israel and want you to admit that rather than whining, 'but its not really Israel doing it'!

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Answer a simple question friend. How far along would the Israeli / Abbas negotiations be if it wasn’t for the Hamas take over and declaring of Gaza “A new Islamic state” and the daily rocket attacks on Israel?
Don’t bother reading tea leaves because the answer isn’t there.
Ummm, thats a good question, lemme see now... Given that Hamas has been unable to stop the movement and communications of Israel or Abbas since they took over, seeing as they are trapped in gaza. Probably not much further.
Its obvious the answer would not be in the tea leaves because we're talking about past not the future. But keep drinking anyway, the flavinoids are good for you.


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By the way, are you at all interested in why a normally secular minded people by the standards of the region might want to vote for a group such as hamas?
q. You mean because the government under Arafat was corrupt to the bone?
a. Yes. Also, they accepted israeli preconditions and massive land grabs and still got nothing for it.

q. But that’s your excuse to vote in a terrorist group?
a. Thats their excuse to vote in a resistance movement. Your opinion of Hamas is irrelevant to them.

q. Bush is a total fooking moron, does that mean you’re going to vote for bin laden in November?
a. I didnt know Bin Laden was even an American Citizen far less a member of any of the US political parties.

Ok. My turn.
q. Given that they voted for a religiously inspired party after the failures of a secular party. Does that mean that they themselves are all of a sudden particularly religious? Or that they just want a strong, resolute and righteous government?



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Ive hidden a clue for you to read in your tea leaves - hamas is an arabic acronym for the Islamic resistance movement.
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That’s the problem. While you look at tea leaves for the answers I look at what people are doing. You should try it sometime...
Yes. Thank you for the advice. I in turn advise you to try looking at why people do the things they do sometime...

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Old 04-21-08, 01:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There exist many such examples. The Soviet famine policy in Ukraine and the Cambodian government of Pol Pot to name just two.
The trouble with those examples are that these governments were seeking the elimination of their internal political enemies.

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If the blinders are biscuits, theyre not very good blinders. Theyre probably ring shape shortbread with a sugar dusting. Mediocre dunking material, bah!
Im only wanting to know which it is thats doing the punishment. Your side of the debate seems to be confused, is it Hamas or gazans?
What in the hell didn’t you understand about “The Hamas cannot operate without the support of the local populace.” Reread it a few times until it dawns on you what the statement is saying. But just in case you still don’t get it which I’m already getting the feeling you wont how about you read this.

The percentage of Palestinians who support "resistance operations" against Israeli targets rose from 43.1 percent in September 2006 to 49.5% at present. Support for this option was highest in the Gaza Strip, at 58.1%, with 24.5% in the West Bank agreeing.

Full story…
Palestinians' backing for terror rises | Jerusalem Post
Apr 21, 2008 0:20 | Updated Apr 21, 2008 3:30


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Who is crying victimhood? Not me. I just know from your comments that you think the Gazans deserve what they get from Israel and want you to admit that rather than whining, 'but its not really Israel doing it'!
That would be you crying “victim hood”. Reread the above post and link again. If it still doesn’t help try printing it out and stapling it to your forehead.
If the Hamas with the support of the people of Gaza. (Did you understand that or do you need it in crayon this time with pictures?) didn’t launch attacks on Israel each and every day, what reasons would the IDF have to attack anything in Gaza?




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Ummm, thats a good question, lemme see now... Given that Hamas has been unable to stop the movement and communications of Israel or Abbas since they took over, seeing as they are trapped in gaza. Probably not much further.
Its obvious the answer would not be in the tea leaves because we're talking about past not the future. But keep drinking anyway, the flavinoids are good for you.
Try again…beave..

“How far along would the Israeli / Abbas negotiations be if it wasn’t for the Hamas take over and declaring of Gaza “A new Islamic state” and the daily rocket attacks on Israel?”




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q. You mean because the government under Arafat was corrupt to the bone?
a. Yes. Also, they accepted israeli preconditions and massive land grabs and still got nothing for it.
You mean like when Israel gave Gaza back and the Hamas started launching rockets?
Those types of land grabs?



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q. But that’s your excuse to vote in a terrorist group?
a. Thats their excuse to vote in a resistance movement. Your opinion of Hamas is irrelevant to them.
Sorry but anyone who believes the hamas are not a terrorist group is just plain retarded.
You call them a “resistance movement” Resistance to what? Yes that’s a loaded question. Think very hard before you answer it.

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q. Bush is a total fooking moron, does that mean you’re going to vote for bin laden in November?
a. I didnt know Bin Laden was even an American Citizen far less a member of any of the US political parties.
It was an example. Now that its been cleared up would you like to try and answer it?


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Ok. My turn.
q. Given that they voted for a religiously inspired party after the failures of a secular party. Does that mean that they themselves are all of a sudden particularly religious?
Or that they just want a strong, resolute and righteous government?
Gee wiz beaver isn’t the dominate religion in Palestine Islam?
Yes, yes a “strong, resolute and righteous government” who clearly states in their charter the elimination of every “Jew” in Palestine and the total destruction of Israel.
A government which teaches elementary school kids to hero-worship suicide bombers, inspiring them to become a martyr killing as many “Evil Jews” as he or she can.
A government that has no problems planning and carrying out suicide bombings against
targets such as School buses, Market places and restaurants no caring who they kill as long as its Jewish.
Is that your idea of a “righteous government”

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Is that not the actions of said people?….
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Well Collectively the people in Gaza are allowing the Hamas to decide and act out its retarded version of Islam.
Does that include the palestinans who are fighting them?
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Does that include the palestinans who are fighting them?
Have I missed something,
Who is fighting them in Gaza?
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Have I missed something,
Who is fighting them in Gaza?
Yes you missed aparently missed a civil war Fatah-Hamas conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Either way its common sence to assume that its not the case the 100% of palestinians support Hamas. Thus if you punish them collectively innocent people are going to suffer. What you also need to keep in mind is that if you keep punishing the palestinian population collectively then those who dont support Hamas are likely to change their mind.
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What in the hell didn’t you understand about “The Hamas cannot operate without the support of the local populace.” Reread it a few times until it dawns on you what the statement is saying. But just in case you still don’t get it which I’m already getting the feeling you wont how about you read this.
Ah so you and Donsutherland disagree between hamas and the gazans as the cause, correct?

Thank you for the link, what does it prove? Not very much. For example, when Israel was under suicide bomb attack did it make them move closer to peace or further away from it? Exactly, in fact they elected Ariel Sharon on a hard line platform. Yet you expect the opposite from the Gazans! lol.

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That would be you crying “victim hood”. Reread the above post and link again. If it still doesn’t help try printing it out and stapling it to your forehead.
If the Hamas with the support of the people of Gaza. (Did you understand that or do you need it in crayon this time with pictures?) didn’t launch attacks on Israel each and every day, what reasons would the IDF have to attack anything in Gaza?
Ive already told you, its not me crying 'victimhood'. Its you trying to pretend the israelis are not restricting and bombing gaza, when everyone across the world can see and hear the reality that even the israelis admit. The correct question is why does Israel continue to break cease fires and avoid talks with Hamas?

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“How far along would the Israeli / Abbas negotiations be if it wasn’t for the Hamas take over and declaring of Gaza “A new Islamic state” and the daily rocket attacks on Israel?”
Already answered Mr Red Indian..whatever guy. See below;
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Ummm, thats a good question, lemme see now... Given that Hamas has been unable to stop the movement and communications of Israel or Abbas since they took over, seeing as they are trapped in gaza. Probably not much further.
Its obvious the answer would not be in the tea leaves because we're talking about past not the future. But keep drinking anyway, the flavinoids are good for you.
q. You mean like when Israel gave Gaza back and the Hamas started launching rockets?
Those types of land grabs?
a. Like when Israel continued its long term assasination policy and and still keeps all the rest of the land it originally grabbed. Yes, those types of land grabs.

q. Sorry but anyone who believes the hamas are not a terrorist group is just plain retarded.
You call them a “resistance movement” Resistance to what? Yes that’s a loaded question. Think very hard before you answer it.
a. No question format this time? ok.
The people of Gaza and much of the rest of the world are all retards? Try proving that in court smart guy. Resistance to what? To israel of course, read their charter. Yet you dare call others 'retards'.lol.

q. It was an example. Now that its been cleared up would you like to try and answer it?
a. As soon as you can form a sensible question with relevant examples, sure sport.

q.Gee wiz beaver isn’t the dominate religion in Palestine Islam?
a. Well Golly jeepers Red Indian Guy, does everyone tagged under a worldwide religion also have to be a fundamentalist? Is that the case then in the US?

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q. Yes, yes a “strong, resolute and righteous government” who clearly states in their charter the elimination of every “Jew” in Palestine and the total destruction of Israel.
A government which teaches elementary school kids to hero-worship suicide bombers, inspiring them to become a martyr killing as many “Evil Jews” as he or she can.
A government that has no problems planning and carrying out suicide bombings against
targets such as School buses, Market places and restaurants no caring who they kill as long as its Jewish.
Is that your idea of a “righteous government”
a. No its their idea sport. And theyd know alot more about it than you or I.

q.Is that not the actions of said people?….
a. No sport. The actions of a person do not give away the why i.e. the reasons for, the said action. To find that one requires context. Thats part of what I suggest you look into sometime...
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Yes you missed aparently missed a civil war Fatah-Hamas conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Either way its common sence to assume that its not the case the 100% of palestinians support Hamas. Thus if you punish them collectively innocent people are going to suffer. What you also need to keep in mind is that if you keep punishing the palestinian population collectively then those who dont support Hamas are likely to change their mind.

Ok. So how do we punish Hamas without punishing the rest of the Palestinian people?

Maybe the rest of the Palestinian people will finally figure out that Hamas is the cause of their suffering. Maybe those people will grow a set of balls and rise up against Hineya and his Hamas cronies.

Until then, how do we stop Hamas from stealing humanitarian aid? How dod we punish ONLY Hamas?

Remember, the majority of Palestinians voted for the Hamas terrorist group. If they want to the punishnment to end, they MUST rise up and squash the terrorists they elected.

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Continuing on the issue of Palestinian terrorist groups imposing collective punishment on ordinary Palestinians, today's edition of Haaretz reported:

...Foreign Ministry spokesman Arye Mekel said Thursday that the million liters of fuel that Israel transferred to the Gaza Strip three weeks ago are still waiting to be collected on the Palestinian side of the Nahal Oz fuel terminal...

Residents of the Strip said Hamas officials have taken fuel for their own purposes and given it to high-ranking officials, governmental employees and its own students, but failed to distribute the remainder to the population at large.
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Apparently Tashah, a moderator, doesnt like me calling you Mr Red Indian and has warned me to stop baiting you. I agree it is baiting. I trust that she has also warned you to stop the same abuse of a member's name's you have engaged in against me and hope in turn you are as willing as I am to conduct debate in a more civilised manner.

Lets have a nice cup of virtual earl grey and biscuit of your choice together. What say you?

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