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Common Myths Concerning Israel

Billo_Really,

As noted in my post, there is a judicial review process. If people feel that their homes were unlawfully razed, they have legal recourse. In fact, even some Palestinians recognize that the terrorists are responsible for Israel's having to take measures in self-defense. For example, on July 17, 2006, The Washington Post reported:

Mariam el-Selgawi, a neighbor who fled her home with her eight children and elderly in-laws, said she knows why the Israelis are back.

"Because of the rockets, everyone is launching rockets" from the agricultural areas inside the Gaza Strip over the border at Israeli towns, she said. "Days before, there was a group trying to shoot a rocket, and they were hit by a missile from a drone, and all of them died.

"All the time I get in fights with them when they come. They know it will bring Israel back to the area," she complained of the Palestinians firing the projectiles. "The last time I said: 'The Israelis are going to come and kill us.

Aren't you afraid you're going to make us orphans?' And one of them said: 'We will launch the rockets from your house. You deserve it,' " and they fired it from outside her fence, she said.

Her father-in-law, Ali el-Selgawi, 76, sat forlornly on the linoleum schoolroom floor that is the family's latest bed, sipping juice and shaking his head. "You can't talk to them, or they just hit you," he said.


In any case, I ran through a sample of recent news stories concerning the practice. No story provided any evidence that Israel was destroying homes or other instrastructure that was not being used by Palestinian terrorists. A quick sample of stories follows:

"Israeli troops, backed by tanks and armored bulldozers, also pushed inside the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun, a staging area for the rocket attacks."

Source: The Washington Post, September 27, 2007.

"Soldiers in dozens of vehicles and two bulldozers surrounded a branch of the Palestinian military intelligence agency during the 2:45 a.m. assault and met little resistance, Israeli and Palestinian spokesmen said... An Israeli military spokeswoman said the raid, a four-hour joint operation by the army and Israel's domestic intelligence service, was aimed at wanted Palestinian militants who had taken refuge in the compound. She said 18 militants were arrested."

Source: Los Angeles Times, March 7, 2007.

"The incursion targeted orchards used by militants for launching rockets over the border, the Israeli army said. Within hours of the tanks' withdrawal, the military wing of Islamic Jihad launched several rockets that landed near the southern Israeli town of Sderot and wounded two children, an Israeli army spokesman said."

Source: Los Angeles Times, July 29, 2006.

"Israeli bulldozers demolished several homes that the army said were being used as cover by those firing rockets and mortars."

Source: The New York Times, December 18, 2004.​
 
This myth is just a strawman. You dont have to demolish houses individually to strangle the Palestinians;

Since 1996, no government has officially decided upon the establishment of a new settlement on the West Bank. In order to continue to occupy additional land in the West Bank, the settlement leadership, with the close assistance of very senior elements within the government, decided to establish outposts, intent upon establishing faits accomplis in the field and taking control of new areas. Most of the outposts have been established in key points in the midst of Palestinian population centers, and deep into the West Bank, thereby attempting to create territorial continuity between the existing settlements and breaking up the contiguity existing between the Palestinian townships. Thus, the settlers are trying to thwart the possibility of the existence of a contiguous Palestinian state on the West Bank.

The issue of the outposts occasionally appears on the national and international agenda. It has received special attention as part of the demands of the Israeli Cabinet in the Road Map. President George W. Bush mentions the subject every time the issue of the settlements arises, and in his speech to the U.S. General Assembly, over a year ago, he even reiterated the demand that the outposts be evacuated.

Further to local and international criticism re the ongoing construction and expansion of the outposts, Prime Minister Sharon was compelled to appoint report to prepare a comprehensive report on this issue. On 8 March 2005, after months of intensive work, Talia Sasson submitted her report to the Prime Minister, concluding: “The method for establishing the outposts mainly consists of a way of circumventing procedures and violating the law, presenting an even-handed stand to some of the State authorities, while, at the same time, constituting the cooperation in a blatant disregard of the law by other authorities.”

Settlement blocs
At every opportunity, Prime Minister Olmert mentions that one of the goals of the Convergence Plan is to allow the State of Israel to expand construction in the settlement blocs in order to ensure that they remain within Israeli sovereignty.
The use of the concept of “settlement blocs” makes it possible for the Government of Israel to expand the settlements which have been determined to be part of “the blocs”, and to turn the dream of a continuous Palestinian State unattainable.

Peace Now : Settlements > Reports
 
Re: Sin Mythology

"Sin Mythology"
There are none.
You missed the gist - those are arabism traditions.
It is their hegemony which assures that boundaries are forsaken. :cool:

There's plenty. You may not respect them but plenty of others do. Israelis too.

Those are most peoples traditions, Zionists, europeans, Americans everyones.
 
You dont have to demolish houses individually to strangle the Palestinians...

No one is trying to "strangle the Palestinians." Israel is seeking to protect the lives of its civilians from Palestinian terrorists. Palestinians and Palestinian terrorists are not synonymous. Palestinian terrorists e.g., Hamas, comprise a subset of the Palestinian population.​
 
Pathetics Versus Apathetics

"Pathetics Versus Apathetics"
Those are most peoples traditions, Zionists, europeans, Americans everyones.
According to the torah, and the koran which acknowledges the torah, boundaries were set.

So, unlike arabism advocates who hysterically rant victimization propoganda, in paranoia of their own lack of ethical restraint in respect for other's borders, by claiming that israelis ambition to rule the entire middle east and are rampantly subjugating the entire arab kingdom, the israelis respectfully, intelligently, accepted, and integrated boundaries into their genetic religion.

As has been pointed out before, isreali reclamation of land is justified by tort (at least figuratively).
 
Re: Pathetics Versus Apathetics

"Pathetics Versus Apathetics"
According to the torah, and the koran which acknowledges the torah, boundaries were set.

So, unlike arabism advocates who hysterically rant victimization propoganda, in paranoia of their own lack of ethical restraint in respect for other's borders, by claiming that israelis ambition to rule the entire middle east and are rampantly subjugating the entire arab kingdom, the israelis respectfully, intelligently, accepted, and integrated boundaries into their genetic religion.

As has been pointed out before, isreali reclamation of land is justified by tort (at least figuratively).

religious claims have no validity seeing as their is little evidence for god that would stand up in court. The average palestinian, be they villager or urban dweller is not an arabism advocate. nor do they claim israel wishes to rule the middle east, just their neighbourhood. this is irrefutable as the gov policy is to settle all around it.
 


No one is trying to "strangle the Palestinians." Israel is seeking to protect the lives of its civilians from Palestinian terrorists. Palestinians and Palestinian terrorists are not synonymous. Palestinian terrorists e.g., Hamas, comprise a subset of the Palestinian population.​

by building closer and closer to the Palestinian populace in which the hamas sharks swim? :lol: settlements are constructed all around, including israeli families with children, so its not about protection.
 
Vernacular

"Vernacular"
religious claims have no validity seeing as their is little evidence for god that would stand up in court.
The international court is an institutional construct, simply -- degenerates in robes without validity; eventhough, miscreants may enforce compliance with its pretentious decree.

Otherwise, religious claims sway passions.
The Dome of the Rock (link) is considered the second holiest site in Islam after the Kaaba at Mecca.[17] Its significance stems from the religious beliefs regarding the rock at it heart. According to Islamic tradition, the rock is the spot from where Muhammad ascended to Heaven accompanied by the angel Gabriel. In Judaism the location of the stone is venerated as the holiest spot on Earth, the site of the Holy of Holies during the Temple Period.
The average palestinian, be they villager or urban dweller is not an arabism advocate. nor do they claim israel wishes to rule the middle east, just their neighbourhood. this is irrefutable as the gov policy is to settle all around it.
Palestinian Religion Today (link)
According to the Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, the Palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip is 97% Muslim and 3% Christian.

Hamas (link); acronym: or Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement,"[1]) is a Palestinian Islamist[2][3] militant organization and political party. In January 2006, Hamas was elected as the government of the Palestinian Authority.[2]

Presuming myself previously clear, whence religion is no longer at issue, my position will cease to exist.
 
Re: Vernacular

"Vernacular"
The international court is an institutional construct, simply -- degenerates in robes without validity; eventhough, miscreants may enforce compliance with its pretentious decree.

degerates in robes? judges? such ill temper, just cos they dont agree with you. Got a speeding fine lately? That why you're sore? Few think of these as such and rightly so.

Otherwise, religious claims sway passions.

Indeed they do sway passions. doesnt mean thats the basis of palestinians claim, why would they make that the basis of their claim when so much of the world isnt even muslim?

ooo Hamas was elected you say? And why was that? It was because they represented a break from the corruption and unwillingness to defend the people from Fatah. Not due to their claims about Muslim lands.

Presuming myself previously clear, whence religion is no longer at issue, my position will cease to exist.

Your postion only exists in your own head right now, but then you know that already.
 
You got to be joking!

Some people have had less than an hour warning to vacate.

I want you to prove that all 4000+ homes that were razed were positively used for terrorist purposes. Show your proof!


He will do that at about the same time as you provide proof that any of those homes were bulldozed OUTSIDE of the review process.

Whether or not you and your Jimmy Cater-ish friends like it --- when Hamas and their terrorist subsidiaries use civilian homes to hide weapons, bombs, or suicide bombers, those homes ABSOLUTELY BECOME A VALID TARGET.

If you don't like it, tell your terrorist friends to lay down their arms stop causing trouble.

:shock:
 
Come on Donny, you know you want to call it a "Freedom Wall".

Tsk, tsk, they are Palesteinian resistence fighters, not terrorists. They are resisting the Israel illegal occupation of their land.

You really need to lay off the drugs dude!

Those Palestinians ARE NOT resistance fighters .... they are islam-0-nazi terrorist *******s. Your support for them tells me you are a terrorist or terrorist supporter.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes, the fence does save lifes, Israel, not Palestinian, My, your arrogance.

Guess what dude ... the freedom wall exists to keep the terrorist *******s out of Israel. If you don't like it, TOO ****ING BAD!!!!

If the Apeastinians were not blowing themselves up in civilian areas, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE ****ING WALL.

Of course, sympathizers like yourself are INCAPABLE of seeing the truth because you, like those pieces of **** you support, are indoctrinated by islamic zealots whose only purpose is to control the minds of men.

You sir ... make me sick to my stomach.


:shock:
 
He will do that at about the same time as you provide proof that any of those homes were bulldozed OUTSIDE of the review process.

Whether or not you and your Jimmy Cater-ish friends like it --- when Hamas and their terrorist subsidiaries use civilian homes to hide weapons, bombs, or suicide bombers, those homes ABSOLUTELY BECOME A VALID TARGET.

If you don't like it, tell your terrorist friends to lay down their arms stop causing trouble.

:shock:
I don't have terrorist friends.

Why would you even say something like that?
 
Now thats flaming!

I suppose its so common from him the mods are just bored by it now.
 
Now thats flaming!

I suppose its so common from him the mods are just bored by it now.
Vader seems to get away with a lot. You retaliated a bit too, but nowhere near as bad as him.
 
Spoken like a lazy, reactionary, verbally incontinent incompetent.

:mrgreen:

As usual, you, like your retarded pro-terrorist rherotic, are quite incorrect.

The only incompetence here is yours ... and your incompetent terrorist freind's.


:mrgreen:
 
As usual, you, like your retarded pro-terrorist rherotic, are quite incorrect.

The only incompetence here is yours ... and your incompetent terrorist freind's.


:mrgreen:

What am I incorrect about? Ive been reading these threads lately and;
You are lazy, thats why you cant do much more than insult.
You are reactionary, you only react to posts, rather than bringing your ideas and research
You are incontinent, your posts are verbal diahorrea without argument
You are incompetent, all of the above makes you so

Also, unfortunately terrorists are not incompetent, unlike you.
 
Spoken like a true Islam-o-nazi terrorist / terrorist-lover.

:mrgreen:

Spoken like a lazy, reactionary, verbally incontinent incompetent.

:mrgreen:

As usual, you, like your retarded pro-terrorist rherotic, are quite incorrect.

The only incompetence here is yours ... and your incompetent terrorist freind's.


:mrgreen:

Moderator's Warning:
Vader...quit the name calling, immediately, or I see a thread ban in your future, at the very least. Dougie, please do not respond in kind.
 
This was a good thread until now.

But then bringing it all down to name calling was probably always the plan wasnt it?

Thanks Vader.
 
Myth: Israel engages in ethnic cleansing:

The term "ethnic cleansing" first gained international usage during the Balkans civil war (Serbia, Croatia, and Bosnia) during the early 1990s. Andrew Bell-Fialkoff, formerly a Research Fellow at the Center for the Study of Small States, has extensively studied historic events that might fit the definition of ethnic cleansing. He provided the following definition:

At the most general level...ethnic cleansing can be understood as the expulsion of an "undesirable" population from a given territory due to religious or ethnic discrimination, political, strategic or ideological considerations, or a combination of these.

Israel has not engaged in the expulsion of Arabs from its boundaries. It is not engaging in such practices. Most of Israel's non-Jewish population (now 1.5 million) is comprised of Arabs. Israel's Arab population enjoys the rights of Israeli citizens including but not limited to educational opportunities, employment, and political participation.

Mr. Bell-Fialkoff's historical research that goes back Assyrian ruler Tiglath-Pileser III (745-727 B.C.) does not cite Israel as ever having engaged in what can be defined as ethnic cleansing.

If one is interested in learning more about ethnic cleansing, one can reference a summary of his work that was published in Foreign Affairs. The citation is as follows: Andrew Bell-Fialkoff, "A Brief History of Ethnic Cleansing," Foreign Affairs, Summer 1993.​
 
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donsutherland1,

two quick points:

1) The term ethnic cleansing exited well before the Yugoslav civil war

2) Israel has displaced and deported, mostly through the threat of or actual terrorism, over 5 million palestinians, and is illegally settling on their land.
 
donsutherland1,

two quick points:

1) The term ethnic cleansing exited well before the Yugoslav civil war
Not according to Wikipedia...

The term entered English and international usage in the early 1990s to describe certain events in the former Yugoslavia.
Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) Israel has displaced and deported, mostly through the threat of or actual terrorism, over 5 million palestinians, and is illegally settling on their land.
Sources Mr. Hundebolg?
 
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