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Old 01-22-08, 02:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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why I loathe Isreal

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good

I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal

I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF

I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".

I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests

I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance

I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)

I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews

I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important

I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe

I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times

I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal

I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians

I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default

...etc.
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Old 01-22-08, 04:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

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I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good
Support in the ME in both assisting with intel about terrorist activities, and an ally in an area where religious dogma and jealousy tends to prevent this.

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I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional
I hate this type of absolutist statement that is a total fallacy.

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I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need
I hate that those who possess these resources try to dictate our foreign policy, and hate Israel solely because it exists.

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I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy
I hate that people who believe this tend to believe in the whole "Jews control everything' conspiracy theory, and I hate that the Israeli lobby needs to have so much power because if they didn't, the Arab oil lobby would have made sure that the US had eliminated Israel long ago.

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I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal
I hate that obtuse statements like this are incorrect, and their spouting tends to foster prejudicial aggression of Americans towards Israel.

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I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF
I hate that the IDF has done some things that it shouldn't have. I hate that blanket statements like above are taken seriously.

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I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".
I hate that those who make these claims have no clue what barbarism is and do not look at how Palestinian militants, and Arab aggressors continue to try to destroy Israel. It's like beating the child that is defending himself against 10 bullies.

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I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests
I hate that those who make statements like this are inaccurate. Israel's existence is in the US's interest, and many Jews are Americans, and their voices in US policy counts, as do other ethnic groups.

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I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development
I hate that those who compare these two situations are comparing apples and airplanes. Iran is a religious-fascist state that has threatened to use weapons against Israel, offensively. Israel is a democratic government that has never made claims to use weapons in any way other than defensive.

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I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite
I hate that many, but not all, that criticize Israel are either covert or overt anti-semites.

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I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance
I hate how it is the anti-Israeli side that often are the ones to bring up the holocaust...as we see here.

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I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)
I hate that anyone would compare the treatment of Israeli-Arab citizens to those of blacks in South Africa, before apartheid without doing a little cursory research, which would show that this assumption is totally absurd and nothing more than propaganda.

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I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews
I hate the myopic obsession with this fallacy of Anti-Israelis.

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I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important
I hate those that would demean another country because they neither live there nor know much about what goes on there. Those of us who are nationalists see our country, regardless of where we live as important. Regardless of size.

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I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe
I hate that European opinion is often controlled by their need for oil.

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I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times
I hate that those who want to pull support for Israel are heading us towards the 'End Times'.

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I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal
I hate that this statement is completely obtuse and compares a group of Islamic extremists that control several ME countries and causes and professes violence across the globe to a small minority of Jews/Israelis that have little power and enact no violence. This is probably the most absurd statement in your post.

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I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians
I can, somewhat, agree, here, as long as you are talking about those who have settled inside Palestinian territory. Those in Israel, are civilians.

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I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default
I hate that this would happen, too.


Why I loathe posts like these.

1. They take all the inaccurate stereotypes against Israel and spout them as if they are facts.

2. They are totally myopic and do not look at the larger issue in the ME which is that both sides have contributed to the problem.

3. They create a villainizing of Israel mentality and make wild, inaccurate, overgeneralized, absolute statements that are deceptive and incorrect and only foster more erroneous and anti-Israel rhetoric.

4. Even if it is unintentional, their tone tends to promote hatred due to the anti-Israeli propaganda nature of their fallacious information. It is never good to post propaganda and present it as facts.
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Old 01-22-08, 04:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

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Old 01-22-08, 09:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

I hate anyone who thinks that his god is his omniscient real estate broker, I say cut support and let the wretches fight it out. We give more aid to Israel's enemies than Israel anyways.
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Old 01-22-08, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

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I hate that our support of Isreal brings us nothing good

I hate that our support of Isreal is unconditional

I hate that our support of Isreal brings us hatred from those who possess resources we need

I hate that the Isreali lobby has so much power over our foreign policy

I hate that Americans are completely unwilling to criticize Isreal or question our unconditional support of Isreal

I hate that my tax dollars supports the attrocities committed by the IDF

I hate that Isreali's excuse their barbarism by arguing that their enemies, a people politically hundreds of years behind the West in terms of development, behave worse then they do. It's like claiming that you can beat a child because he "started it".

I hate that US politicians devour Isreali and Jewish lobbying money and ignore US interests

I hate that the US criticizes Iran for developing nuclear weapons while tolerating and even supporting Isreali nuclear development

I hate that anyone who criticizes Isreal runs the risk of be labeled as a anti-semite

I hate that any debate about Isreal will inevitably lead to a disscusion of the holocaust, despite it's lack of relevance

I hate that we're told to blindly support Isreal, just because it's a democracy. This presumes a) that we should support all democracies reguardless of they behave and b)that Isreal is truly a democracy despite it's policies towards it's arab "citizens" (did we consider South Africa a democracy? The whites could vote?)

I hate the myopic obsession with Isreal at the expense of US interests of US pro-Isreal Jews

I hate that Isrealis think their nothing little country the size of New Jersey is important

I hate that support of Isreal alienates Europe

I hate that support of Isreal is across both parties equally giving us no option but to continue subsidizing the End Times

I hate that American politicians criticize religious extremism in the Middle East while ignoring the zealotry and insanity of Orthodox Jews in both the US and Isreal

I hate that "settlers" are considered civillians

I hate that Isreali's assert that if I don't support them I support the Arabs by default

...etc.


I have just the cure for you,
Renounce your US citizenship and move to Palestine.
Throw rocks at IDF forces then complain because
they throw lead back at you....

Boats and planes are leaving the US daily.
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Old 01-22-08, 02:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have just the cure for you,
Renounce your US citizenship and move to Palestine.
Throw rocks at IDF forces then complain because
they throw lead back at you....

Boats and planes are leaving the US daily.
Yeah, cause "You're either with us, or you're against us." right?
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Old 01-22-08, 03:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I loathe people who simply regurgitate propaganda rather than educate themselves on complex issues.
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Old 01-22-08, 05:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

I wouldn't be too concerned about NCFY.

He doesn't care about Darfur, or the American southeast, or flyover country either.

Pretty much just the coastal, big city areas of America and parts of western europe is all that NCFY cares about. Everything else is just garbage.
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Old 01-22-08, 06:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

I love people who actually know how to spell Israel correctly. It's Israel not Isreal.
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Old 01-22-08, 06:39 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: why I loathe Isreal

OK, tell us which countries on this list, if they were facing the same situation as Israel, would you abandon?



And which ones would you stand with?
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