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Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica - Where is the anger? [W:20]

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Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
 
For gosh sakes. More misinformation/disinformation.
There is Aleppo and East Aleppo.
East Aleppo is under al Qeda and ISIS control and mortars Aleppo on a daily basis. From a military point of view, you either smash a city or go door to door doing cleanup and get a lot of your own soldiers killed. The terrorists in East Aleppo have been offerred a corridor out of the City, but would rather see the citizens that they won't allow to leave East Aleppo killed. They are holding as many as 45,000 civilians hostage in East Aleppo. The Syrians ans Russians are using the same technique the USA used to secure Fallujah and Ramadi. Only in the USA, where the "free" Press is massaged daily by USA Intelligence Agencies and the Pentagon do you read the links you post. Most people prefer the truth instead.
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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You are one pathetically obsessed individual ...but I fully agree...you surely have the right be outraged ....maybe I dunno about the fact that various groups have been using (and still use) hospitals and ordinary civilians as human shields and cheap graphic propaganda pawns for years and years.

Ground down by savagery – the agony of Aleppo - The Guardian
We drove past a hospital complex that rebel groups were busy commandeering as a headquarters, then the Old City, the one area that still bustled with relative normality, towards the main frontline between Syrian troops and rebel forces, a suburb in south-west Aleppo named Saif al-Dawla.

My Captivity - Theo Padnos, American Journalist, on Being Kidnapped, Tortured and Released in Syria -NYT
The F.S.A., it turned out, had given me to the Nusra Front, or Jebhat al Nusra, which was using the Children’s Hospital in Aleppo as a headquarters and a prison.


Oh. How could I forget about multiple asinine question marks > ??????????

Fallen.
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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You forgot to mention when Palestinians shoot rockets at Israel.
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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coldjoint said:
You forgot to mention when Palestinians shoot rockets at Israel.
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:popcorn2:
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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Russia was invited into SYRIA by the legitimate government of that country. Meanwhile the U.S. is arming and training terrorists and religious fundamentalists.

US ENGAGING IN ILLEGAL ACTIONS IN SYRIA
The fundamental rule of contemporary international law is that states cannot attack other states. The U.N. Charter embodies this rule and makes only two exceptions to it: a state can attack another state if it is authorized to do so by a Security Council resolution, or if the attacking state is acting in genuine self-defense. Neither of these exceptions applies in the case of the U.S. and Syria
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Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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The UN ie members should have followed through with Reponsibility to Protect. Some way should be found to bring the persons in the Assad regime to justice in The Hague.
 
DaveFagan said:
For gosh sakes. More misinformation/disinformation.
There is Aleppo and East Aleppo.
East Aleppo is under al Qeda and ISIS control and mortars Aleppo on a daily basis. From a military point of view, you either smash a city or go door to door doing cleanup and get a lot of your own soldiers killed. The terrorists in East Aleppo have been offerred a corridor out of the City, but would rather see the citizens that they won't allow to leave East Aleppo killed. They are holding as many as 45,000 civilians hostage in East Aleppo. The Syrians ans Russians are using the same technique the USA used to secure Fallujah and Ramadi. Only in the USA, where the "free" Press is massaged daily by USA Intelligence Agencies and the Pentagon do you read the links you post. Most people prefer the truth instead.
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Do you have supporting links and independent confirmation? I have seen the other information in media of a number of countries' media and even the German Green Party seems to interpret the action differently. That might have been influenced by previous activities of the Assad regime and experience with Putin. But it is certainly not a party that considers the US without major suspicion.
 
Fallenangel said:
You are one pathetically obsessed individual ...but I fully agree...you surely have the right be outraged ....maybe I dunno about the fact that various groups have been using (and still use) hospitals and ordinary civilians as human shields and cheap graphic propaganda pawns for years and years.

Ground down by savagery – the agony of Aleppo - The Guardian
We drove past a hospital complex that rebel groups were busy commandeering as a headquarters, then the Old City, the one area that still bustled with relative normality, towards the main frontline between Syrian troops and rebel forces, a suburb in south-west Aleppo named Saif al-Dawla.

My Captivity - Theo Padnos, American Journalist, on Being Kidnapped, Tortured and Released in Syria -NYT
The F.S.A., it turned out, had given me to the Nusra Front, or Jebhat al Nusra, which was using the Children’s Hospital in Aleppo as a headquarters and a prison.


Oh. How could I forget about multiple asinine question marks > ??????????

Fallen.
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You are right that it is time to forget the present brutalities and just concentrate that the Assad people lost their right to again take possession of the Syrian people. After shooting down demonstrators, torturing thousands in political opposition to the regime, gassing opposing civilians the UN and every member has the Responsibility to Protect the remaining population from Assad and his merry men.
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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Ahahahahaha...you have this so backwards it's ridiculous. It is the U.S. foreign policy that created this whole mess to begin with. Everyone else is trying to clean up after it but we keep messing it up.

Oh, and your point falls a little flat when we are selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to do the same thing in Yemen you're complaining about here. The U.S. doesn't care about human rights violations.
 
joG said:
You are right that it is time to forget the present brutalities and just concentrate that the Assad people lost their right to again take possession of the Syrian people. After shooting down demonstrators, torturing thousands in political opposition to the regime, gassing opposing civilians the UN and every member has the Responsibility to Protect the remaining population from Assad and his merry men.
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The fantasy world that you live in never ceases to amaze me - for instance would that "protection" entail the protection of any civilian population that doesn't want to live under Sunnah or/and Islamist rule?!?


Fallen.
 
joG said:
You are right that it is time to forget the present brutalities and just concentrate that the Assad people lost their right to again take possession of the Syrian people. After shooting down demonstrators, torturing thousands in political opposition to the regime, gassing opposing civilians the UN and every member has the Responsibility to Protect the remaining population from Assad and his merry men.
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The gassing has been investigated by the UN's Carla del Ponte and was determined to have been done by the rebels as a false flag operation.
 
Some here would have you believe, erroneously and disingenuously, that...

1) The civilian population of Aleppo, be it North/South/East/West Aleppo have any say whatsoever over which military or militia occupies their neighborhoods. Yet the bombs/missiles from Russian/Syrian airstrikes are killing civilian men, women, and children everyday and decimating the city.

2) Assad inviting Russian forces into Syria is tantamount to a free pass to violate the Geneva Conventions of War (which both nations signed) and carte blanche to commit war crimes.

3) Russia and Syria have some unfathomable right to use banned munitions - cluster bombs / incendiary bombs - on a city still populated with many hundreds of thousand inhabitants.

What is wrong with some of you people ?
 
Simpleχity;1066427290 said:
What is wrong with some of you people ?
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Been asking you exactly the same question about other issues for quite some time, yet so far all I've heard in response was..."but, but ebil Putin, and those damn ruSSians!!"

Fallen.
 
joG said:
The UN ie members should have followed through with Reponsibility to Protect. Some way should be found to bring the persons in the Assad regime to justice in The Hague.
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If the rape of women in AFRICA is any indication the U.N. would just join in.
 
Simpleχity;1066427290 said:
What is wrong with some of you people ?
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Not everyone is willing to buy the U.S. government propaganda hook line and sinker.
 
Fallenangel said:
Been asking you exactly the same question about other issues for quite some time, yet so far all I've heard in response was..."but, but ebil Putin, and those damn ruSSians!!"
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Putin himself stated numerous times that Russia is bombing Aleppo. Is your Czar lying?

Did the Russian-owned RT news agency not publish a video (unintentionally) showing RBK-500 ZAB-2.5SM incendiary bombs on a RuAf Su-34 ground attack aircraft weapons pylon stationed at Hmeimim Air Base in Syria?

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Video screen-grab of Russian RBK-500 ZAB-2.5SM bombs loaded with thermite, one
of the hottest burning man-made substances in the world


Does Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) (Doctors Without Borders) also have an evil (US) agenda vis-a-vis Syria?

Syria: Latest attacks on east Aleppo hospitals leave medical care in tatters

15 October 2016

Airstrikes by Syrian and Russian forces have hit four hospitals in besieged east Aleppo in the past 24 hours, causing huge damage to one of them and injuring at least two doctors. The bombings also destroyed an ambulance and killed its driver. The latest destruction comes amidst an intensification of the bombing campaign on the besieged northern Syrian city, where at least 62 people died and 467 people, including 98 children, were wounded between 11 and 13 October, according to reports obtained from the Directorate of Health and the forensic centre of east Aleppo. These casualty figures may be an underestimate, as many families have been burying dead relatives themselves, rather than bringing their bodies to hospitals.

"The indiscriminate bombing campaign has taken a clear turn for the worse," says Carlos Francisco, MSF Head of Mission for Syria. "One of the hospitals hit yesterday received huge damage. It was a major trauma centre that had been already hit three times in recent weeks. The pace of attacks is suffocating what little capacity for medical care the healthcare system still has, in a city which is rapidly falling apart, day by day and hour by hour. By damaging the few remaining places where lives can be saved, it is clear that Syria and Russia are squeezing the life out of east Aleppo."

Before yesterday, there were just 35 doctors left for a besieged population of about 250,000, seven of them surgeons with the necessary skills to treat the many war-wounded, according to the Directorate of Health. Since the beginning of the siege on east Aleppo in July, hospitals have been hit 27 times, and not a single hospital has survived the bombing intact during this period.

"We have said it before and we say it again: all parties to the conflict must allow – now, before it is too late – a safe evacuation of the seriously wounded and sick from east Aleppo, and must let in essential medical supplies and vital goods for a population suffering not only from a continuous hail of bombs, but from the lack of any kind of assistance," says Pablo Marco, MSF Operational Manager in the Middle East.
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Simpleχity;1066427690 said:
Putin himself stated numerous times that Russia is bombing Aleppo. Is your Czar lying?

Did the Russian-owned RT news agency not publish a video (unintentionally) showing RBK-500 ZAB-2.5SM incendiary bombs on a RuAf Su-34 ground attack aircraft weapons pylon stationed at Hmeimim Air Base in Syria?

Does Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) (Doctors Without Borders) also have an evil (US) agenda vis-a-vis Syria?

Syria: Latest attacks on east Aleppo hospitals leave medical care in tatters
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Nice array of asinine questions accompanied by a truckload of faux outrage. Now how about actually addressing the fact that hospitals and civilian facilities have been used in Syria and specifically in Aleppo (as in many other conflicts throughout the ME) for the cover of various armed groups for years, I also don't remember you ever mentioning the rebel bombing/shelling of hospitals and civilian areas.

You see, there would be no problem imo if you would have been genuinely interested in the well being of Syrian civilians, advocating for the complete cessation of all hostilities in the area or something like that. However, what you are doing here is simply spamming one sided graphic propaganda in some weird attempt to wage your personal crusade against Russia on the pages of DP. Like I've mentioned before, unfortunately, it seems that in the process you are prepared to ignore any crime, any fact and any information that doesn't fit with your "Russia is evil" narrative.

Funnily enough, in your attempts to "combat the evil Russian propaganda" you've turned yourself into a DP version of an eternally butthurt pravda.


BTW. I don't remember ever talking about "evil US agenda", you must have confused me with some other posters here that have triggered your butthurt delusions. However, I do talk quite often about your personal obsessive and highly biased agenda that you try to push here on the pages of the DP.

Fallen.
 
Simpleχity;1066426950 said:
Aleppo Is The 21st-Century Guernica

The ongoing decimation ranks the Syrian city as an emblem of human brutality in our time....


If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia

If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Kosovo and Srebrenica ?

Where are all those who demonstrated against the brutalities of Vietnam ? Afghanistan ? Iraq ?

Where are those who hit the streets every time Israel drops a bomb on Gaza ?

Why the total apathy about Aleppo ? Where is the worldwide anger ?

Why are Putin and Assad getting a free pass to commit war crimes ?
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who are those ? I cant see any of them around
 
Fallenangel said:
The fantasy world that you live in never ceases to amaze me - for instance would that "protection" entail the protection of any civilian population that doesn't want to live under Sunnah or/and Islamist rule?!?


Fallen.
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That is a long and interesting discussion. But, if we are on one page that we need a general system that does protect populations, than we are okay for the moment.
 
joG said:
That is a long and interesting discussion. But, if we are on one page that we need a general system that does protect populations, than we are okay for the moment.
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Not really... "we are ok at the moment" because beyond slogans you simply can't provide a solution to a complex regional problem i.e. confrontation between different factions not only on a political but also on a religious basis.

Fallen.
 
I understand that people lead busy lives and often have many concerns of their own, closer to home. I get all that which is why I'm always very mindful to try not to assume automatically that people don't care or are not interested enough in relation to what is happening over there.

That being said, there are obviously those that don't care and i make that determination based on some of the things they actually do say. I have no answer for that. We can't make people care. You either do or you don't.

From a humanitarian standpoint there is so much more that can be done and I've shared my thoughts in numerous threads relating to the Syrian crisis in the past. Regarding Aleppo, the images of what is left of Aleppo are heartbreaking. The situation for the Syrian civilians has been incredibly dire for over 5 years. Many millions of Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of civil war in 2011, taking refuge in neighbouring countries or within Syria itself. UNHCR estimate over 5 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours and 7.6 million are internally displaced within Syria.

Some of us have been discussing the Syrian Crisis since the hostilities commenced. I can remember being appalled at some of the numbers of casualties being discussed in the early days. Now it's just beyond sickening. The sheer magnitude of the crisis is enormous and Syrians are now the largest refugee population in the world and we are seeing the worst exodus since the Rwandan genocide 20 years ago.

Those that do care and can do something to help, no matter how small or insignificant others may feel it is, will hopefully do so.
 
DaveFagan said:
The gassing has been investigated by the UN's Carla del Ponte and was determined to have been done by the rebels as a false flag operation.
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I realize you want desperately that the US and its allies be at fault for any evil. Therein you are remarkably consistent. And you are right to question die US in motivation and deed. In some cases the US has acted in ways that some will take exception to and from their standpoint they have a point. Here? Yes, there are You Tube vids that say that the opposition (without specifying which) were responsible. Most of the more reliable media seem to thing differently. My suspicion is that were we to see an end to the conflict the situation would be as always in civil wars and each side would have its own criminals.

But it is not really the point here to determine which of the gas attacks were by Assad's people and which by ISIS. We know beyond any doubt that the Assad regime has repeatedly committed crimes against humanity going way back and now war crimes. True, the proofs are never quite as good as for murder in the drawing room and it will continue to be practically impossible to gather evidence and forensics till Assad is deposed. But that should be done immediately in any event, as giving the Syrian people back to the man responsible for the activities behind the Caesar photos would make us accomplice to all later torture and mass murder. Only sycophants and Ghouls could want that man, his family and his friends to repossess themselves of the Syrians.
 
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