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Britain accuses Putin of 'war crimes' in Syria at bitter UN meeting

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Britain accuses Putin of 'war crimes' in Syria at bitter UN meeting


25 September 2016

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British UN Ambassador Matthew Rycroft



Britain has accused Russia of committing “war crimes” in Syria as world powers rounded on Moscow in one of the most bitter meetings of the UN Security Council in recent memory. As Russian jets took part in what rebels called the “scorched earth bombing” of Aleppo, Western powers charged Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, with deliberately undermining peace talks and flouting its historic responsibilities to the United Nations.

In a display of disgust towards the Assad regime, Matthew Rycroft, the British ambassador to the UN, walked out of a specially convened Security Council meeting when the Syrian ambassador rose to speak. “Aleppo’s inhabitants… are now facing an unprecedented, unrelenting onslaught of cruelty,” he said. “In short, it is difficult to deny that Russia is partnering with the Syrian regime to carry out war crimes.”
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United States UN Ambassador Samantha Power addressing her Russian counterpart Vitaly Churkin at the UNSC...
“What Russia's doing in Syria isn't counter terrorism - it's barbarism.”


“It felt like the ground was shaking under you, like an earthquake. The explosions sounded loud and strange like nothing we’ve heard before in five years of war. It was a bloody day. No words can describe what happened yesterday.”
Survivor of yesterday's attacks on Aleppo neighborhoods


“It is a horrific situation now in Aleppo. There are dead people in the streets, and fires are burning without control. People don’t know what to do or where to go. There is no escape. It is like the end of the world.”
Ammar al-Selmo, head of the Aleppo branch of the White Helmets civil defense group


“The agreement has been torn to shreds by the large-scale attacks on eastern Aleppo.” Senegal UN Ambassador


“It is none other than a massacre. That's what it means to drop bombs on the civilian population, to drop bombs on medical facilities.” Uruguay UN Ambassador


Related: In Push on Aleppo, Syria and Russia Seem Ready to Further Scorch Its Earth

How the White Helmets of Syria Are Being Hunted in a Devastated Aleppo

Aleppo: Bodies litter floor at makeshift hospital
 
Hundreds reported dead in Aleppo offensive

Massive civilian casualties are not deterring Russian/Syrian airstrikes on civilian neighborhoods. The Syrians are dropping barrel-bombs from helicopters. The Russians are using incendiary and cluster munitions. Using such munitions in an urban setting such as Aleppo is a war crime.

Russia is also using a thermobaric MLRS weapon called "Blazing Sun" which features a huge mushroom-shaped cloud. Reports described the effect of this thermobaric weapon on targets in confined spaces, such as buildings, bunkers and tunnels, as "immense". Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness.

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Blazing Sun (TOS-1A Buratino) missile launcher can fire 24 thermobaric missiles in less than one minute
 
Simpleχity;1066355056 said:
Britain accuses Putin of 'war crimes' in Syria at bitter UN meeting




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United States UN Ambassador Samantha Power addressing her Russian counterpart Vitaly Churkin at the UNSC...
“What Russia's doing in Syria isn't counter terrorism - it's barbarism.”


“It felt like the ground was shaking under you, like an earthquake. The explosions sounded loud and strange like nothing we’ve heard before in five years of war. It was a bloody day. No words can describe what happened yesterday.”
Survivor of yesterday's attacks on Aleppo neighborhoods


“It is a horrific situation now in Aleppo. There are dead people in the streets, and fires are burning without control. People don’t know what to do or where to go. There is no escape. It is like the end of the world.”
Ammar al-Selmo, head of the Aleppo branch of the White Helmets civil defense group


“The agreement has been torn to shreds by the large-scale attacks on eastern Aleppo.” Senegal UN Ambassador


“It is none other than a massacre. That's what it means to drop bombs on the civilian population, to drop bombs on medical facilities.” Uruguay UN Ambassador


Related: In Push on Aleppo, Syria and Russia Seem Ready to Further Scorch Its Earth

How the White Helmets of Syria Are Being Hunted in a Devastated Aleppo

Aleppo: Bodies litter floor at makeshift hospital
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It can only be a testimony to her conditioning that Samantha Power didn't see any irony in her comments about what constitutes counter terrorism and barbarism
 
Simpleχity;1066364396 said:
Not even the dysfunctional UN can remain silent in the face of Russian/Syrian barbarism...

UN says 'war crimes' committed in Aleppo offensive

War crimes in Aleppo, worse than slaughterhouse - U.N. chief
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I don't think that US government officials are in a position to lecture people on war crimes do you ? It's not like they haven't committed a good few of their own since the American empire began to take over the planet.

It's a bit like Saddam Hussein berating people for using gas attacks
 
oneworld2 said:
I don't think that US government officials are in a position to lecture people on war crimes do you ? It's not like they haven't committed a good few of their own since the American empire began to take over the planet.

It's a bit like Saddam Hussein berating people for using gas attacks
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What "American empire " are you talking about?
 
And that is all the West has remaining of its Syrian policy, a disaster from the jump, which has run for years. It is all net for Putin though, he took a risk, he executed, and now reaps the rewards. The West has the angry words of a loser who just took a beating that they never saw coming. That's it.


ASIDE: I saw the other day where CJCS Dunford had to explain to Congress that the proposed NATO air cap over Syria would mean war with Russia. What a pack of jokers.
 
Fledermaus said:
Nebulous response noted.
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I haven't the time to list them all but you can start by looking up what constitutes a " war of aggression " and see how many times the US has been guilty of it.
 
Fledermaus said:
What "American empire " are you talking about?
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The empire it has been building since it wrestled half of Mexico away from the Mexicans. The empire that it consolidated after the Europeans had lost their own empires/colonies due to their international blood fests
 
oneworld2 said:
The empire it has been building since it wrestled half of Mexico away from the Mexicans. The empire that it consolidated after the Europeans had lost their own empires/colonies due to their international blood fests
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Half of Mexico? When did that happen?

Texas seceded on it's own. It joined the US later. The rest of the Mexican cessation was not half... More like a third....

And what former colonies do we own? India? The African colonies? Maybe German West Africa? Hong Kong? Macau? Cuba? Philippines?
 
oneworld2 said:
I don't think that US government officials are in a position to lecture people on war crimes do you ? It's not like they haven't committed a good few of their own since the American empire began to take over the planet.
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Perhaps your monitor has bad resolution ? That was the UN declaring possible Russian war crimes and turning Aleppo into a "slaughterhouse"
 
Simpleχity;1066367319 said:
Perhaps your monitor has bad resolution ? That was the UN declaring possible Russian war crimes and turning Aleppo into a "slaughterhouse"
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Wow , Ban KiMoon is the UN ? Who are all the other people in the organisation then ?

Did he say the same thing when the US bombed that hospital in Afghanistan run by Médecins Sans Frontières ?

Nope , he said it was " tragic " and " inexcusable " but AFAIK didn't think it constituted a " war crime ".

Tells you a bit about Ban Ki-Moon imo
 
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Fledermaus said:
Half of Mexico? When did that happen?

Texas seceded on it's own. It joined the US later. The rest of the Mexican cessation was not half... More like a third....
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A thirds ok then is it ? Yep , we'll settle on a third. The US invaded Mexico and only stole a third of its territory. Happy now ?

We'll get Jack Hays here in a minute trying to tell us all how the Mexicans really appreciated it too.

But at least it's a start , you now have an idea of what I am talking about with the US empire
And what former colonies do we own? India? The African colonies? Maybe German West Africa? Hong Kong? Macau? Cuba? Philippines?
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I take it you don't really understand how neocolonialism works , never mind.

What I was talking about was that during the two world wars the European powers beat themselves up so badly that they were left powerless to stop the independence movements in their former colonies. So where at one time the British and French were the imperial masters of the ME we now see a massive US influence there instead. Client state managers , " aid ", military bases etc etc that's how it works now

BTW How many military bases in how many countries does the US have ?
 
oneworld2 said:
A thirds ok then is it ? Yep , we'll settle on a third. The US invaded Mexico and only stole a third of its territory. Happy now ?

We'll get Jack Hays here in a minute trying to tell us all how the Mexicans really appreciated it too.

But at least it's a start , you now have an idea of what I am talking about with the US empire

I take it you don't really understand how neocolonialism works , never mind.

What I was talking about was that during the two world wars the European powers beat themselves up so badly that they were left powerless to stop the independence movements in their former colonies. So where at one time the British and French were the imperial masters of the ME we now see a massive US influence there instead. Client state managers , " aid ", military bases etc etc that's how it works now

BTW How many military bases in how many countries does the US have ?
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Can't make charges of "Imperialism" stick? Whip out the "neocolonialism" bugaboo...

What American Empire are you talking about in the HERE and NOW?

You will note that the "American Empire" has shrank from he 1940s to this present day.

How many of the islands and countries the US took over in WWII have they kept?

The US effectively owned the entire span between Papua\New Guinea and Japan. It also, along with England, held much of Sicily, Italy, Germany and France as well as the low countries.

We invaded Iraq. Do we still own it? Same with Afghanistan. Both have governments that have not been in thrall to the US.

And the Middle East? It wasn't the US administering the Middle East after WWII.
 
Simpleχity;1066368578 said:
No. It actually tells me more about you.
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That I actually expect people in his role to be a bit more consistent is okay with me

That you are happy for him to be inconsistent tells me a lot about you too
 
oneworld2 said:
Wow , Ban KiMoon is the UN ? Who are all the other people in the organisation then ?

Did he say the same thing when the US bombed that hospital in Afghanistan run by Médecins Sans Frontières ?

Nope , he said it was " tragic " and " inexcusable " but AFAIK didn't think it constituted a " war crime ".

Tells you a bit about Ban Ki-Moon imo
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Or it tells you that people can comprehend differences in intent and that some things are accidents while others are on purpose.

I don't think this is hard.

Incidentally, according to The Rules, this matters for everyone but Israel (who is condemned and accused of war crimes no matter what) and the Palestinians (who are apparently allowed to try to bomb civilians with impunity).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
And that is all the West has remaining of its Syrian policy, a disaster from the jump, which has run for years. It is all net for Putin though, he took a risk, he executed, and now reaps the rewards. The West has the angry words of a loser who just took a beating that they never saw coming. That's it.

ASIDE: I saw the other day where CJCS Dunford had to explain to Congress that the proposed NATO air cap over Syria. Putin would mean war with Russia. What a pack of jokers.
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What is your point? Yes we can all agree that American policy is a disaster. You think that killing people is a board game? Putin is responsible for the destruction and death of people in Chechnya, Eastern Ukraine and Syria... woopee, what a winner... being a murderous ultra-nationalist.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Or it tells you that people can comprehend differences in intent and that some things are accidents while others are on purpose.

I don't think this is hard.

Incidentally, according to The Rules, this matters for everyone but Israel (who is condemned and accused of war crimes no matter what) and the Palestinians (who are apparently allowed to try to bomb civilians with impunity).
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I think you should familiarize yourself with the circumstances of the US attack on the Kunduz hospital before you claim that it was an "accident", don't you ?

In fact the sentences you have written above clearly show that you totally believe that only other people can carry out war crimes. That's it !

My position is somewhat different to yours insomuch that I believe any people , state leaders , groups can commit war crimes. The Russians may have in the incidents covered in this thread and the US , Israel and the Palestinians in other threads.

But to believe that your own people are incapable of such barbarity is completely off the wall imo
 
shore said:
What is your point? Yes we can all agree that American policy is a disaster. You think that killing people is a board game? Putin is responsible for the destruction and death of people in Chechnya, Eastern Ukraine and Syria... woopee, what a winner... being a murderous ultra-nationalist.
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Winners are very often not the nice guys, but Putin takes brutality pretty far. We knew that from Chechnya, but Chechnya worked for him, which is why you see him now taking out operating hospitals in Aleppo, which I predict will help the China/Russia/Iran cooperative a great deal in the region.

A Putin win is a USA/Europe loss, make no mistake about that, and the last 18 years of American Presidents have lost big to Putin.
 
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