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Anatomy of Obama's Iraq Failure[W:139]

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I suggest you read the Washington Post account.

I did. It doesn't change the fact that:

A. There was no GWB 'victory' in Iraq.
B. You made this claim ad nauseum and have been slapped down each and every time.

It's not worth going into more effort to dismantle this nonsense, as it's been done so frequently already

Enjoy your magical thinking!
 
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The bottom line is Obama was handed the reins and ISIS went on it's caliphate rampage murdering with impunity.

Parse it all you want, but you cannot pin that on Bush. The only Commander in Chief at the time was Obama. There is no other rational place for the buck to stop.

We could have helped create a successful Iraq, and Obama pissed it away. You can't blame Bush for that.
 
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I got no problem criticizing Bush on things I disagree with and did so while he was President. Show me one liberal around who hasn't been kissing Obama's ass and defending him to the virtual death. I'm sick of leftwingers not taking responsibility for his failures and propping him up as something he's not....a good President. Always making excuses, and never ending blaming of Bush for everything. Obama's been President for 8 years, ****ing get over Bush will ya?

I was in Iraqi in 2003 courtesy of the US Army. I witnessed first hand Bush2's folly. No, I wont get over it, when were you there ?
 
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I did. It doesn't change the fact that:

A. There was no GWB 'victory' in Iraq.
B. You made this claim ad nauseum and have been slapped down each and every time.

It's not worth going into more effort to dismantle this nonsense, as it's been done so frequently already

Enjoy your magical thinking!

Less than three years later, the relatively calm Iraq that Maliki had led in 2011 was gone. The country’s government was in crisis, its U.S.-trained army humiliated, and a third of its territory overrun by fighters from the Islamic State. Meanwhile, State Department programs aimed at helping Iraqis prevent such an outcome had been slashed or curtailed, and some had never materialized at all.
 
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I was in Iraqi in 2003 courtesy of the US Army. I witnessed first hand Bush2's folly. No, I wont get over it, when were you there ?

Bush warned something like ISIS would rise up if we left too early.
 
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Bush warned something like ISIS would rise up if we left too early.

Bush2 also claimed Mission Accomplished

So much for Bush2's predictions
 
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When Bill Clinton took over from GW Bush, he just kept kicking the can down the road, half hardheadedly bombing within the "No Fly Zone", but bombing Iraq none the less. But apparently an intern perched on his desk hit the space bar and his screen changed to the Balkans. Bill started bombing there instead of taking care of business in Iraq. Where is the outrage? After all, Bill Clinton and Bush W, all defended their reasons for hostilities against Iraq on their suspected possession of WMD's.

Sec of State Albright upbraided some anti war protesters with this exchange:

Albright replied, “No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.” Albright then proceeded to lecture the audience, telling them “I’m really surprised that people feel they need to defend the rights of Saddam Hussein.”

Where is the outrage against Bill Clinton? The planning for the 911 attack took place while he was president.

The table was set for invasion when Bush W. took office. His rationale was the intelligence agencies purported links terrorist organizations like Al Quaeda, and Saddam's financial and material support of terrorism, and 911 was just the beginning of something more terrible.

Along with Iraq's alleged development of WMDs, another justification for invasion was the purported link between Saddam Hussein's government and terrorist organizations, in particular Al-Qaeda. In that sense, the Bush Administration cast the Iraq war as part of the broader War on Terrorism.

To be honest, Iraq was handed down from Bush HW (Gulf War), to Clinton (No Fly Zone), to Bush W (Invade Baghdad), to Obama (collapse).

And here we are. Muslims killing Americans at home.
 
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Bush2 also claimed Mission Accomplished

So much for Bush2's predictions

No he didn't, and you're being dishonest and disingenuous by saying that.
 
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When Bill Clinton took over from GW Bush, he just kept kicking the can down the road, half hardheadedly bombing within the "No Fly Zone", but bombing Iraq none the less. But apparently an intern perched on his desk hit the space bar and his screen changed to the Balkans. Bill started bombing there instead of taking care of business in Iraq. Where is the outrage? After all, Bill Clinton and Bush W, all defended their reasons for hostilities against Iraq on their suspected possession of WMD's.

Sec of State Albright upbraided some anti war protesters with this exchange:



Where is the outrage against Bill Clinton? The planning for the 911 attack took place while he was president.

The table was set for invasion when Bush W. took office. His rationale was the intelligence agencies purported links terrorist organizations like Al Quaeda, and Saddam's financial and material support of terrorism, and 911 was just the beginning of something more terrible.

Along with Iraq's alleged development of WMDs, another justification for invasion was the purported link between Saddam Hussein's government and terrorist organizations, in particular Al-Qaeda. In that sense, the Bush Administration cast the Iraq war as part of the broader War on Terrorism.

To be honest, Iraq was handed down from Bush HW (Gulf War), to Clinton (No Fly Zone), to Bush W (Invade Baghdad), to Obama (collapse).

And here we are. Muslims killing Americans at home.

Muslims were killing Americans at home before we Iraq or Afghanistan were invaded no less after we mainly left Iraq.
 
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GWB handed BHO a victory. BHO threw it away.

Upon what basis should we believe there was ever an exit that wouldn't leave a vacuum that would be exploited?

When would be have been able to withdrawal our troops and left behind a stable Iraq in your vision?

When they were selling Iraq to the public, it was "weeks not months."

Leap forward 6 years and we're calling a low intensity insurgence victory.
 
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That was certainly a premature claim in 2003. By the time GWB left office in 2009 victory had been achieved.

I guess it depends on how you define "Victory". By GWB's standards, anything other than utter chaos I guess could be classified as a "Victory" considering the mess he made. But if you define "Victory" by accomplishing a major stabilization of the region....not even close.
 
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No he didn't, and you're being dishonest and disingenuous by saying that.

Yeah right......there was no "photo-op" at all....mere coincidence. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
 
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Yeah right......there was no "photo-op" at all....mere coincidence. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

It was proven to be a coincidence and not anything Bush did. Stop lying.
 
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It was proven to be a coincidence and not anything Bush did. Stop lying.

If you actually believe that is was just a coincidence, you are truly gullible. I suspect that you know that it wasn't just a coincidence and are just being politically partisan...which is ok....just admit it and move on.
 
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If you actually believe that is was just a coincidence, you are truly gullible. I suspect that you know that it wasn't just a coincidence and are just being politically partisan...which is ok....just admit it and move on.

We're not covering this again; you're gullible among other things. He never said the mission of fighting terrorism was accomplished, and the banner wasn't put up by him. You've always been a blind one, trying to use tiny nothings to make great hay out of. That's why I don't engage you usually, but you're predictable that way.
 
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We're not covering this again; you're gullible among other things. He never said the mission of fighting terrorism was accomplished, and the banner wasn't put up by him. You've always been a blind one, trying to use tiny nothings to make great hay out of. That's why I don't engage you usually, but you're predictable that way.

Oh puh-lease. No one claimed that he made statements in the verbal part of his speech that the mission of fighting terrorism was accomplished. However...you would have to be extremely politically naïve and gullible to believe that the whole "Mission Accomplishment" was not a pre-orchestrated photo-op. "Mere Coincidences" like that don't just happen 'cuz.
 
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We're not covering this again; you're gullible among other things. He never said the mission of fighting terrorism was accomplished, and the banner wasn't put up by him. You've always been a blind one, trying to use tiny nothings to make great hay out of. That's why I don't engage you usually, but you're predictable that way.

Nope

He said major combat operations were over, I was there, they were far from over.
 
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But yet you believe what someone wrote that has little connection to the reality of the events.

A historical narrative often amplifies and/or corrects personal recollections.
 
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Upon what basis should we believe there was ever an exit that wouldn't leave a vacuum that would be exploited?

When would be have been able to withdrawal our troops and left behind a stable Iraq in your vision?

When they were selling Iraq to the public, it was "weeks not months."

Leap forward 6 years and we're calling a low intensity insurgence victory.

We still have troops in Europe over 70 years after victory there.
We still have troops in Korea over 60 years after victory there.
 
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I guess it depends on how you define "Victory". By GWB's standards, anything other than utter chaos I guess could be classified as a "Victory" considering the mess he made. But if you define "Victory" by accomplishing a major stabilization of the region....not even close.

Had US forces remained in Iraq, the Syrian nightmare and ISIS would likely have been precluded.
 
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GWB handed BHO a victory. BHO threw it away.

Yes replacing a sectarian authoritarian leader with another sectarian authoritarian leader thus opening it up to a civil war that never ended. "Victory!" :doh
 
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