Joe Hill

Copying their own terrible treatment under the Nazis, Zionists in the Apartheid Police Occupation state of Israel have Ghettoized Palestinians. In a rare (because US and Europeans seldom are permitted to enter by the Israelis) look at worsening conditions, this five-minute video asks the question, "Would you like to live like this"?
Gaza's Reality

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great wealth in a few hands, but we can't have both.":
Louis D. Brandeis

bhkad

Renounce this and then let's talk.

Hamas Covenant - Wikisource

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bub

bah...they can kill each other if they want to, that's not my problem. They are fighting for 50 years, that's sad for them, but since they can't behave like adults and negociate, I don't care about them anymore.

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bhkad

Just like a Frenchie to turn his back on the freedom of others.

bub

1) I don't see any French here
2) What freedom? Freedom of the Israelis to get rid of the Palestinians, or vice versa? Freedom to colonize each other? Freedom to kill each other? This has nothing to do with freedom, this is about senseless violence.


There are other problems in the world than this endless fight for a few square km of desert. We always talk about them, and never about Chechnya, Putins who arrests Kasparov, the Kurds trying to be independant, US-backed protestant sects spreading in Africa...

bhkad

It seemed to me that because you failed to try to get to the heart of the matter of the Palestinians and Israelis and just saw them as one mess with both sides equally at fault, that I'd apply that same foggy lens to your nationality to give you a glimpse of what you are doing with regard to the Jihad going on in the Holy Lands.

Here's a little something for you to enjoy.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={37C0DC7B-D9A8-4D45-A748-35F45BDCB386}

bub

Listen, there is the same problem in my country (but we fight with words only). Walloons against Flemish. I know what I'm talking about.

Both sides have good arguments, and it is very complex to find a solution that pleases everybody. And if you want to find a solution, you can't say "I'm right, you're wrong": you have to find a compromise and accept to make concessions. That's what we do here: Flemish have more senators, but there is a linguistic parity among the ministers, and Walloons have a veto-right.

I don't see that kind of concessions in Israel/Palestine. Both sides claim they are fully right.

bhkad

You aren't really a bad guy so I will be polite.

I think there is a difference between your country's problem and the Israeli/Palestinian problem.

But maybe I'm wrong. Do either of the antagonists in your neck of the woods have a religious agenda of aggressive global imperialism and totalitarianism?

bub

Well it's less emotionalized and less violent but the basis of the conflict is the same: A is spreading in B's territory. B wants to stop that.

A immigrants should not be cleansed from B territory, but they should talk in B's language and respect B's norms. And to avoid any problem, A minority in B territory should be protected by laws.

You have to find an equilibrium between A & B's protection. And to find it, you have to negociate and debate.

But one hour ago, Palestinians and Israelis have announced they could not agree on a text about future negociations.
le fil info - lesoir.be

Gladiator

How do you Negotiate Respect?