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Syrian army gains ground around Aleppo, looks to Raqqa

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Russia said on Saturday a Syria ceasefire plan was more likely to fail than succeed, as Syrian government forces backed by Russian air strikes took rebel ground near Aleppo and set their sights on the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa province.

The conflict, reshaped by Russia's intervention last September, has gone into an even higher gear since the United Nations sought to revive peace talks. These were suspended earlier this month in Geneva before they got off the ground.

The Syrian army looked poised to advance into the Islamic State-held province of Raqqa for the first time since 2014, apparently to pre-empt any move by Saudi Arabia to send ground forces into Syria to fight the jihadist insurgents.
Syrian army gains ground around Aleppo, looks to Raqqa | Reuters
 
Things have been heating up as Russia bombs the "terrorists" ( Assad's term for anyone not on Assad's side) -and the various Islamists/rebels/FSA types
have been getting pounded by the combination of Russian air, Hezbollah, and Iranian actual ground forces.

The fall of Aleppo (economic capitol of Syria) would be a major victory for Assad.
If/when it happens that coalition might actually go kill some real terrorists! ( ISIL).

Which begs the question now that the death toll is 1/2 million -how does this war end??

Will SA actually send troops? (very doubtful) Will Assad negotiate with any willing partners? (unknown)
will the war rumble on? probably
 
The Syrian cities are ruined and beyond repair. Tens of millions have fled the country all together, those that are left are disabled, sick, elderly, starving, etc.. As Iran gains more influence in the region, the Saudi's feel more threatened. Personally, I think the Saudi's and their extremist Wahhabist religion are the elephant in the room and largely responsible for most of the conflict and terrorism in the ME. I don't see an end to this war until they run out of money...or oil. I heard on NPR that with the low price of oil and at the rate the Saudi's are currently spending, they will be broke in about five years.
 
Good look to the Syrian Arab Army and its allies in the fight against terror.
 
The Syrian cities are ruined and beyond repair. Tens of millions have fled the country all together, those that are left are disabled, sick, elderly, starving, etc.. As Iran gains more influence in the region, the Saudi's feel more threatened. Personally, I think the Saudi's and their extremist Wahhabist religion are the elephant in the room and largely responsible for most of the conflict and terrorism in the ME. I don't see an end to this war until they run out of money...or oil. I heard on NPR that with the low price of oil and at the rate the Saudi's are currently spending, they will be broke in about five years.
oh good grief..more Saudi bashing from Moot.. how about the wonderful Alawite regime of Assad? Or Russian bombing "terrorists" where there aren't any?
Did you ever think Iran is both funding and training jihadists for the battlefield ? Need I link it? Have you considered Iranian hegemony of the region in your expose' of ME terrorism?

anyways...check this out A Syria without Syrians - Al Jazeera English
^update on Siege of Aleppo

After the war ends ( if it ever does) will there be any Syrians left in Syria?
 
The Syrian cities are ruined and beyond repair. Tens of millions have fled the country all together, those that are left are disabled, sick, elderly, starving, etc.. As Iran gains more influence in the region, the Saudi's feel more threatened. Personally, I think the Saudi's and their extremist Wahhabist religion are the elephant in the room and largely responsible for most of the conflict and terrorism in the ME. I don't see an end to this war until they run out of money...or oil. I heard on NPR that with the low price of oil and at the rate the Saudi's are currently spending, they will be broke in about five years.
They most definitely are. Most of al-Qaeda were Saudi nationals. Most of ISIS, I am sure as well, are Wahhabist Sunnis, too.
Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11, the CIA even says so.
The reason this little factoid keeps slipping through the fingers of foreign policy is that we have been targeting the wrong nations, based on the lies of a vicious idiot.
 
They most definitely are. Most of al-Qaeda were Saudi nationals. Most of ISIS, I am sure as well, are Wahhabist Sunnis, too.
Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11, the CIA even says so.
The reason this little factoid keeps slipping through the fingers of foreign policy is that we have been targeting the wrong nations, based on the lies of a vicious idiot.
al-Qaeda is worldwide. It's a salafi jihadist group. AQ Core is in Afghanistan. No most of AQ is NOT SA nationals .

fr your link:

The total lack of accountability, nor a desire to drill down on the truth as to why Doug's memo was not sent,” he added, “is the reason why the 28 pages pertaining to the Saudis have been blocked” from release.

it is the memo that causes the redaction according to the article about al-Mihdhar -a SA national,
but no connection to the government of SA,

Your claim "Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11, the CIA even says so." is wholly unsupported by your article! :roll:

ISIS is a Salafist jihadi group, while some Wahhabi are Salafist, not all Salafist are Wahhabi.

Salafi jihadism or Jihadist-Salafism is a transnational religious-political ideology based on a belief in violent jihadism
and the Salafi movement of returning to (what adherents believe to be) "true" Sunni Islam.
It's a rejection of modernism -but done so by jihad
 
oh good grief..more Saudi bashing from Moot.. how about the wonderful Alawite regime of Assad? Or Russian bombing "terrorists" where there aren't any?
Did you ever think Iran is both funding and training jihadists for the battlefield ? Need I link it? Have you considered Iranian hegemony of the region in your expose' of ME terrorism?

anyways...check this out A Syria without Syrians - Al Jazeera English
^update on Siege of Aleppo

After the war ends ( if it ever does) will there be any Syrians left in Syria?



You seem surprised that Iran and the Saudis don't like each other. lol


Did it ever occur to you that the Saudi's are funding ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, committing genocide in Yemen, and destroying world archeological heritage sites all over the ME?


"...Today, it’s the case in Yemen where the U.S. and France are helping Saudi Arabia in its massive air war against Houthi Shi‘ites. And it’s the case in Syria, the scene of the most destructive war game of them all, where Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states are channeling money and arms to Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL and Daesh), and similar forces with the full knowledge of the U.S.

Western leaders encourage this violence yet decry it in virtually the same breath. In April 2008, a Treasury official testified in a congressional hearing that “Saudi Arabia today remains the location from which more money is going to … Sunni terror groups and the Taliban than from any other place in the world.” [See Rachel Ehrenfeld, “Their Oil Is Thicker Than Our Blood,” in in Sarah N. Stern, ed., Saudi Arabia and the Global Islamic Terrorist Network: America and the West’s Fatal Embrace (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2011), p. 127.].."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?_r=0

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/14/how-saudigulf-money-fuels-terror/


The Syrian war, Afganistan war and Yemen War aren't going to end until the Saudis run out of money.

IMF: Saudi Arabia running on empty in five years - Al Jazeera English
 
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You seem surprised that Iran and the Saudis don't like each other. lol
cute..so now this is a SA thread -OK .
I won't ask your logic on how I am "surprised


Did it ever occur to you that the Saudi's are funding ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, committing genocide in Yemen, and destroying world archeological heritage sites all over the ME?
yes I know about the bombings of the Old City in Sana'a and the extensive air campaign in Yemen,
and I have decryed it( not on this board) as lack of a SA strategy in Yemen.. SA has a tiger by the tail - it has to guard it's southern border
and the Huthi's were running cross border raids -but the bigger picture is Iran was/is supplying them as their proxy.
Why is Iran funding a war on SA's border?
An Iranian naval convoy suspected of carrying weapons for Shiite rebels in Yemen has turned back, US officials said, as Saudi-led warplanes kept up air strikes on anti-government forces.Iran ships 'turn back' from Yemen as fighting rages - Yahoo News

...Today, it’s the case in Yemen where the U.S. and France are helping Saudi Arabia in its massive air war against Houthi Shi‘ites. And it’s the case in Syria, the scene of the most destructive war game of them all, where Saudi Arabia and other Arab Gulf states are channeling money and arms to Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL and Daesh), and similar forces with the full knowledge of the U.S.Western leaders encourage this violence yet decry it in virtually the same breath. In April 2008, a Treasury official testified in a congressional hearing that “Saudi Arabia today remains the location from which more money is going to … Sunni terror groups and the Taliban than from any other place in the world.” [See Rachel Ehrenfeld, “Their Oil Is Thicker Than Our Blood,” in in Sarah N. Stern, ed., Saudi Arabia and the Global Islamic Terrorist Network: America and the West’s Fatal Embrace (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2011), p. 127.].."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?_r=0
how is there no mention of Qatar here? The Qatari banking system allows bundling - and yes SA individuals ( but not the SA gov't)
do send money to ISIL..
Again though you miss the idea Iran does the same -and that is my complaint -the current 1 sided blindness to Iranian hegemony.
Iran has Quds forces in Iraq and Lebanon -general Solemani (Quds forces)was photographed in both locations..
Add in Damascus- Russia is providing logistical "lifts" for Iranian regulars in Syria! - so to attempt to get back to Syria -why is their no comment about Iranian adventurism in Sana'a , Damascus, Beirut, Baghdad, plus worldwide funding of terrorism?


The Syrian war, Afganistan war and Yemen War aren't going to end until the Saudis run out of money.
cliche' .
While no one sees any end in sight, thanks to Iranian and Russian aiding assad, Aleppo is now being seiged. If Aleppo falls
It's all over for a viable battlefield, and Syria comes under Assad control -at least the west, and the Islamists (al-Nusra etc)
and any FSA types become nothing more then an insurgency.

Consider Damascus was all but encircled before the current offensive from Iran/Russia.

What Iam telling you is you are way too narrowly focused on SA - SA is just another regional player -a big one, but no bigger then Iran
 
Russian ground forces need to move into Syria and quick to stop the Turkish mafia from invading from the north attacking the Kurds and funding Islamists.
 
al-Qaeda is worldwide. It's a salafi jihadist group. AQ Core is in Afghanistan. No most of AQ is NOT SA nationals .

fr your link:

The total lack of accountability, nor a desire to drill down on the truth as to why Doug's memo was not sent,” he added, “is the reason why the 28 pages pertaining to the Saudis have been blocked” from release.

it is the memo that causes the redaction according to the article about al-Mihdhar -a SA national,
but no connection to the government of SA,

Your claim "Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11, the CIA even says so." is wholly unsupported by your article! :roll:

ISIS is a Salafist jihadi group, while some Wahhabi are Salafist, not all Salafist are Wahhabi.

Salafi jihadism or Jihadist-Salafism is a transnational religious-political ideology based on a belief in violent jihadism
and the Salafi movement of returning to (what adherents believe to be) "true" Sunni Islam.
It's a rejection of modernism -but done so by jihad

Okay, you want to be willfully ignorant, I see.

How the FBI is whitewashing the Saudi connection to 9/11
San Bernardino Shooters Recently Visited Saudi Arabia, Talked to ISIS Member on FBI Watch List
FBI accused of 'covering up Saudi Arabian links to 9/11
Andrew Napolitano: The Saudi Arabian Government's Involvement In 9/11 Finally Revealed; FBI, Bush and Obama All Covered It Up
Why Saudi Ties to 9/11 Mean U.S. Ties to 9/11
Classic WWW: The Untold Saudi Royal Connection to 9/11

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Okay, you want to be willfully ignorant, I see.

~SNIP~

REBUTTAL CONTINUED IN NEXT POST

Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 Commission, Aug. 21, 2004: Fund-raisers and facilitators throughout Saudi Arabia and the Gulf raised money for al Qaeda from witting and unwitting donors and diverted funds from Islamic charities and mosques. The Commission staff found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or as individual senior officials knowingly support or supported al Qaeda; however, a lack of awareness of the problem and a failure to conduct oversight over institutions created an environment in which such activity has flourished.
The 9/11 Commission, Aug. 21, 2004: The U.S. government approached the Saudis on some narrow issues, such as locating Bin Ladin’s supposed personal wealth and gaining access to a senior al Qaeda financial figure in Saudi custody, with mixed results. The Saudis generally resisted cooperating more broadly against al Qaeda financing, although the U.S. government did not make this issue a priority in its bilateral relations with the Saudis or provide the Saudis with actionable intelligence about al Qaeda fundraising in the Kingdom. Other issues, such as Iraq, the Middle East peace process, economic arrangements, the oil supply, and cutting off Saudi support for the Taliban, took primacy on the U.S.-Saudi agenda.
“The 28 pages primarily relate to who financed 9/11, and they point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia as being the principal financier,” Graham told ABC News.
“It should be clear that this Joint Inquiry has made no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency of the information regarding these issues that was found contained in FBI and CIA documents,” the report says. It goes on to say an “investigation of these allegations could reveal legitimate, and innocent, explanations for these associations.” Or, the report says, quoting from a CIA memo, a further investigation could turn up “incontroverible evidence that there is support for these terrorists … [the rest of the sentence was redacted].”

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Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup
The Saudi Role in Sept. 11 and the Hidden 9/11 Report Pages
One of the most prominent critics is former Florida Senator Bob Graham, a Democrat who co-chaired the joint investigation of the House and Senate intelligence committees into the Sept. 11 attacks. On Wednesday, in a press conference with two current members of Congress and representatives of families who lost loved ones in the attacks, he will once again urge the Obama administration to declassify the pages—a move the White House has previously rebuffed.
Rep. Walter Jones, a North Carolina Republican who has also read the pages, agrees. “There is no reason the 28 pages have not been made public,” Jones told Newsweek. “It’s not a national security issue.” Parts of it, however, Jones said, will be “somewhat embarrassing for the Bush administration,” because of “certain relationships with the Saudis.”
In July, the two co-chairman of a separate inquiry, commonly known as the 9/11 Commission, likewise urged the White House to declassify the 28 pages.
“I’m embarrassed that they’re not declassified,“ former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind) said at a press conference with his co-chair Tom Kean, the former Republican governor of New Jersey. “I assumed all along that our records would be public—all of them, everything. And when I learned that a number of documents were classified or were even redacted, I was surprised and disappointed. I am embarrassed to be associated with a work product that is secret.”
But in an interview with Newsweek, Graham said “the contacts” were Saudis with close connections to their government. “I think that in a very tightly controlled institution like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, activities that would be potentially negative to its relationship with its closest ally, the United States, would not have been made at any but the highest levels,” he said.
The Florida Democrat charged that there has been “an organized effort to suppress information” about Saudi support for terrorism, which "started long before 9/11 and continued to the period immediately after 9/11" and continues today.
Take a moment to reflect on what you've just read. The government is actually accusing itself of involvement in 9/11. At the very LEAST that involvement is indicative of the fact that the Saudis (and I repeat, AT THE LEAST) were the primary culprit behind the attacks.
On their part, the Saudis have also publicly called for the pages to be declassified. “Saudi Arabia has nothing to hide,” Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S., has said. “We can deal with questions in public, but we cannot respond to blank pages.”
“Saudi Arabia,” he said, “has not stopped its interest in spreading extreme Wahhabism.”
And there’s a direct line, he maintained, running from the fostering of that ideology to the creation of the Islamic State.
“ISIS...is a product of Saudi ideals, Saudi money and Saudi organizational support, although now they are making a pretense of being very anti-ISIS,” Graham added. “That’s like the parent turning on the wayward or out-of-control child.”
The Kingdom and the Towers
The idea that al-Qaeda had not acted alone was there from the start. “The terrorists do not function in a vacuum,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters the week after 9/11. “I know a lot, and what I have said, as clearly as I know how, is that states are supporting these people.” Pressed to elaborate, Rumsfeld was silent for a long moment. Then, saying it was a sensitive matter, he changed the subject.
 
I'm familiar in part with some of of the links . thanks.

The san bernadino couple visiting SA ? what is that supposed to prove? suppose they visited Pakistan - oh wait! she WAS FROM PAKISTAN!
do you see how a mindset of conspiracy makes your mind leap to boundless & unfounded conclusion?

I am not taking "secret probes never reported to the FBI or the 9-11 commission" as having any worth either;
much the same I do not take JFK assassination 'theories' as having any worth.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to chase someone else's tale.

The only link to the SA government is the Bob Graham link. That;s the only one that has any reall connection
aside from princes here and there. Graham is a fruit cake, I mean I love the guy but Graham alone is out there with his claims.

Still it deserves tobe looked at (unlike the other delusions) as it is at least supposed to be US gov't conclusions..

OK enough of this silliness ...back to topic ( next post)
 
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The prospect of even a temporary truce in Syria seemed as distant as ever on Monday, as violence continued unabated across much of the country with hospitals in two towns apparently being bombed by forces supporting Bashar al-Assad, days after Russia denied it was targeting civilians in its aerial campaign.
The attacks highlighted the fragility of a deal agreed last week in Munich for a “cessation of hostilities” and the impact on civilians of an unforgiving air war led by the Kremlin that has helped consolidate Assad’s position and exacerbated the misery of the five-year conflict, driving tens of thousands out of their homes towards the Turkish border.

Syrian President Assad made a televised address on Monday saying that any ceasefire did not mean each side had to stop using weapons.:roll:


the airstrikes on hospitals in two locations in northern Syria mark the latest in a series of attacks on medical facilities and workers, including 14 so far this year.


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Médecins Sans Frontières said seven people were killed when a facility it supports in Maaret al-Numan, Idlib province, was hit four times in two separate raids. Mego Terzian, MSF’s France president, told Reuters he thought that either Russia or Syrian government forces were responsible. Both have been engaged in an unrelenting aerial bombardment in Idlib.

In a separate incident, Syrian opposition activists said a missile struck a children’s hospital in the rebel-held town of Azaz, near the Turkish border, killing 10 people and wounding more than 30. The Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, said a Russian ballistic missile had hit the town.

The UN’s children’s agency, Unicef, said four facilities were hit, two in Azaz and two in Idlib. “We at Unicef are appalled by reports of attacks against four medical facilities in Syria – two of which were supported by Unicef,” the organisation said in a statement. “One is a child and maternal hospital where children were reportedly killed and scores evacuated.”

Apart from compelling considerations of diplomacy and obligations under international humanitarian law, let us remember that these victims are children,” the statement added.

The Syrian National Coalition’s representative to the EU, Mouaffaq Nyrabia, said the hospital attacks demonstrated “Russia’s lack of commitment to ending this conflict” and called on the UN to investigate, alongside other attacks on medical facilities in Syria.



Moscow’s intense airstrike campaign has in recent months helped Assad score his most significant advances since the beginning of the war.

The Russian prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, issued a blanket denial over the weekend that his country was targeting civilians and civilian facilities in Syria, but several attacks on health centres have been documented since Russia’s intervention. In the first month of the campaign launched last October, NGO Physicians for Human Rights documented seven Russian attacks on medical facilities in Syria.

“They are targeting hospitals specifically; this is systematic,” said Zaidoun al-Zoabi, the head of the Union of Syrian Medical Relief Organisations, when asked about the Russian claim. “Who bombed the hospitals? For God’s sake, who bombed the hospitals today?”

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Russia resumed airstrikes on Monday in northern Latakia province near the Turkish border as well as Aleppo, bombing rebel positions to pave the way for a regime advance. Obama urged Russia on Sunday to halt airstrikes against mainstream rebels

Airstrikes hit two Syrian hospitals, with Turkey condemning 'obvious war crime' | World news | The Guardian
 
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