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​Standing up to Saudi Arabia

Serenity said:
They have one of the worst human rights records in the world when it comes to religious freedoms, women’s rights and their treatment of dissidents.



Islamic State nuts kill Charlie Hebdo staff because they feel their Prophet has been insulted, the world is outraged and rightly so, yet the Saudi's are prepared to flog their citizens to death for insulting Islam and it's largely ignored. The selective outrage is beyond obscene.




Did they check to see if he floated like a duck first? :roll: For goodness sake, how backward can you be?

I, for one, will welcome the day if the Saudi misogynistic fundamentalist regime is ever excluded from all business dealings with my country. It should have come years ago.

Still, better late than never.
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It is not our place to prescribe domestic arrangements for other countries. The Saudis are not a threat to their neighbors or to us. In many respects they have been quite helpful. The world is large and diverse.
 
Jack Hays said:
It is certainly a more humane regime than that of Assad in Syria.
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No it isn't. The SOS fingered KSA as the chief supporter of terrorism. An honor usually left to Iran, and never applied to Syria.
 
Jack Hays said:
It is not our place to prescribe domestic arrangements for other countries. The Saudis are not a threat to their neighbors or to us. In many respects they have been quite helpful. The world is large and diverse.
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As the chief exporter of terrorism, and arguably the nastiest form thereof, they're a threat to everyone! You looked the other way when they brutally crushed an attempt at democratic reforms on their border, while exploiting Assad's response to violent protests within his own country. And you seem not to care one bit about their ongoing abuses in Yemen. :roll:
 
Grand Mal said:
My dad told me that 'you're known by the company you keep.' So go give a Saudi royal a big smack on the lips.

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Dude, don't roll out that picture. Post the unedited picture of the two walking hand in hand thru the Texas Blue Bonnets at Bush's "ranch".
 
Montecresto said:
No it isn't. The SOS fingered KSA as the chief supporter of terrorism. An honor usually left to Iran, and never applied to Syria.
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Montecresto said:
As the chief exporter of terrorism, and arguably the nastiest form thereof, they're a threat to everyone! You looked the other way when they brutally crushed an attempt at democratic reforms on their border, while exploiting Assad's response to violent protests within his own country. And you seem not to care one bit about their ongoing abuses in Yemen. :roll:
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Curiously blinkered perspectives.
 
Montecresto said:
Dude, don't roll out that picture. Post the unedited picture of the two walking hand in hand thru the Texas Blue Bonnets at Bush's "ranch".
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Was that edited? Aw, and I really like it, too!
How about this one?
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No, you're right, this one is cuter...
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Jack Hays said:
It is not our place to prescribe domestic arrangements for other countries. The Saudis are not a threat to their neighbors or to us. In many respects they have been quite helpful. The world is large and diverse.
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The world is also full of hypocrites who will loudly condemn human rights violations in some parts of the world and then conveniently turn a blind eye to others. I'm not one of them.
 
Yesterday the US accepted that Iran is no longer working to produce nuclear weapons and removed economic sanctions. This will be seen as very bad news by Saudi Arabia; an act which speaks louder than words, America chosing sides no less.

By the way SA is often described as an 'ally' of the USA. They certainly were in Gulf War I - but since? I know of no treaty of alliance currently in force.
 
Serenity said:
The world is also full of hypocrites who will loudly condemn human rights violations in some parts of the world and then conveniently turn a blind eye to others. I'm not one of them.
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Fair enough. I've spent a lot of time in parts of the world where the price of political defeat is too often death. I cut those people a little slack. What I won't excuse is a regime that wages war on its own people, a la Syria.
 
Jack Hays said:
All regimes have temper tantrums and kill people. This one happens to side with us on important questions.
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bingo. Iran executes many more the SA does, orChina..looking at human rights as a metric of foreign policy is sooo Jimmy Carter.
Use realpolitik instead, SA has been and will continue to be a reliable ally ( and 9-11 had nothing to do with the Saudi gov't)..

Iran is the largest sponser of state terrorism, and tilts to Russia. The Persians are the expansionists, and the danger to regional stability.
SA's new King Salman has to find his way give him some time.
He's got a hot war in Yemen to deal with..again more proxy fighting with Iran on SA' s border
 
Montecresto said:
As the chief exporter of terrorism, and arguably the nastiest form thereof, they're a threat to everyone! You looked the other way when they brutally crushed an attempt at democratic reforms on their border, while exploiting Assad's response to violent protests within his own country. And you seem not to care one bit about their ongoing abuses in Yemen. :roll:
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what are they supposed to do in Yemen? simply left infiltrations across their border, and turn a blind eye to Iran's proxy war?
I disagree with their intense bombing of Yemen -they need to put in ground forces, but they never do.
But they have every right to prosecute a border war.

Assad is a red herring here, i'm not going to discuss it. Not Iran's role, not SA's monetary support of ISIS ( mostly thru Qatars banks)
It's sectarianism on both sides.

KSM worked with bin Laden, not SA. There is this constant conflation of SA nationals to their gov't. it's disengenuos.
As to Bahrain and the SA eastern Shia uprisings.. again it's their business.
unless you think Iran should be condemned for Hezbollah and Assad?

Recall AQ has ben active in SA -even bombing campaigns -they have to have internal security
 
annata said:
bingo. Iran executes many more the SA does, orChina..looking at human rights as a metric of foreign policy is sooo Jimmy Carter.
Use realpolitik instead, SA has been and will continue to be a reliable ally ( and 9-11 had nothing to do with the Saudi gov't)..

Iran is the largest sponser of state terrorism, and tilts to Russia. The Persians are the expansionists, and the danger to regional stability.
SA's new King Salman has to find his way give him some time.
He's got a hot war in Yemen to deal with..again more proxy fighting with Iran on SA' s border
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Between 2007 and 2012, 423 people were executed in Saudi Arabia. The number at the same time in Iran was 1,663 when we're talking about mostly drug-related charges.
The only country that might be executing more than Iran is China that hides statistics about its executions.
 
[h=3]Iran's 'staggering' execution spree: nearly 700 put to death ...[/h]https://www.amnesty.org/.../2015/.../irans-staggeri...


Amnesty International


Jul 23, 2015 - The Iranian authorities are believed to have executed an astonishing 694 people between 1 January and 15 July 2015, said Amnesty ...



[h=3]Executions in Iran could top 1,000 this year, says Amnesty ...[/h]www.theguardian.com › World › Iran




The Guardian


Jul 23, 2015 - Iran is thought to have executed nearly 700 people in the first half of 2015, according to reports compiled by Amnesty International that far ...
 
Being elected to the council has nothing to do with a country's human rights record. Backwards dictatorships are regularly elected to the council. The logic is that doing so brings them into the fold of the discussion on human rights and opens avenues for dialogue. The election is based on whom one wants to talk with, not who has a good human rights record.

Clearly, the UK believes cooperating with SA to join the council is a means of opening dialogue with SA on human rights. It most assuredly does not mean that the UK, or anyone else, believes SA has a good human rights record.

We must keep in mind that the UN is a diplomatic body, not an enforcement body.
 
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ecofarm said:
Being elected to the council has nothing to do with a country's human rights record. Backwards dictatorships are regularly elected to the council. The logic is that doing so brings them into the fold of the discussion on human rights and opens avenues for dialogue. The election is based on whom one wants to talk with, not who has a good human rights record.

Clearly, the UK believes cooperating with SA to join the council is a means of opening dialogue with SA on human rights. It most assuredly does not mean that the UK, or anyone else, believes SA has a good human rights record.

We must keep in mind that the UN is a diplomatic body, not an enforcement body.
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saudi kingdom hardly executes any british if I am not wrong
 
Jack Hays said:
They have been fine allies whose behavior is harsher when they feel more vulnerable.
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Do you they feel "vulnerable" from their own female population?
 
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