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Iran Says New U.S. Visa Rule May Violate Nuclear Pact

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TEHRAN — A new United States visa restriction that applies to Europeans and others who have visited so-called high-risk countries has led to angry reactions in Iran, where some leaders say the decision is a violation of the nuclear agreement reached in July.

Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, told state media on Monday that the visa restriction was an “obstacle, placed by some individuals,” that he hoped would soon be resolved. Mr. Zarif referred to a letter sent by Secretary of State John Kerry on Saturday, asserting that the restriction would not affect the nuclear agreement.

The restriction, a security step arising from the recent terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., prohibits visa-free travel to the United States for anyone who has visited or holds citizenship in Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Iran.
Precisely why Iran was included on the list is unclear, since it is a foe of the Islamic State, the militant extremist group accused of organizing or fomenting the attacks.
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Kinda confused why Iran was put on this list since they are fighting the Islamic State.... :confused: But I hope both parties can work through this, I dont see this derailing the P5+1 deal though.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Kinda confused why Iran was put on this list since they are fighting the Islamic State.... :confused: But I hope both parties can work through this, I dont see this derailing the P5+1 deal though. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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I would predict that the justification for including Iran has nothing to do with Daesh and everything to do with Republican politicians, already critical of the Iranian deal, looking to add a feather to their cap when they talk to constituents.

It is also possible that the language was agreed upon by some of the democratic leadership as a way to ensure passage.
 
MrT said:
I would predict that the justification for including Iran has nothing to do with Daesh and everything to do with Republican politicians, already critical of the Iranian deal, looking to add a feather to their cap when they talk to constituents.

It is also possible that the language was agreed upon by some of the democratic leadership as a way to ensure passage.
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So you mean that left and right, they both have their typical out with their respective patronizing base.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The only reason they're fighting ISIS is because they're sunni and are hostile toward Iranian shia
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Yep. Iran has been quite the beneficiary of USFP in the ME.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Kinda confused why Iran was put on this list since they are fighting the Islamic State.... :confused: But I hope both parties can work through this, I dont see this derailing the P5+1 deal though. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Iran has been the source of sponsorship of terrorism in many places in the world is probably why. They have been suppliers to Hamas and Hezbollah, they have been involved in sponsored terrorism in India, Bahrain, Kenya and other places. Also they are believed to have been involved in cyberterrorist activities, per our current administration.
 
SocialD said:
Iran has been the source of sponsorship of terrorism in many places in the world is probably why. They have been suppliers to Hamas and Hezbollah, they have been involved in sponsored terrorism in India, Bahrain, Kenya and other places. Also they are believed to have been involved in cyberterrorist activities, per our current administration.
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Saudi Arabia is guilty of all the same. :shrug:
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The only reason they're fighting ISIS is because they're sunni and are hostile toward Iranian shia
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And somehow that makes some think that this means they're the West's ally.
Iran remains the no.1 state sponsor of terrorism on the planet and one of the major sources of unrest in the Middle East due to its current involvement in the matters of 4 different countries.
As such its fight with ISIS is a fight between two sides of the same kind of evil - radical Islam.
 
MrT said:
I would predict that the justification for including Iran has nothing to do with Daesh and everything to do with Republican politicians, already critical of the Iranian deal, looking to add a feather to their cap when they talk to constituents.

It is also possible that the language was agreed upon by some of the democratic leadership as a way to ensure passage.
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Perhaps thinking that if it's repeated often enough, it will be taken for truth (where have we heard that before). Iran certainly has it's proxies, but so do other Arab States, according to SOS Clinton, the most funding for Islamic extremists comes from :shock: our ally Saudi Arabia!!!

The Guardian: WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists (2010)
Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton. "More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

And all of these have their proxies wrecking havoc inside Syria.
 
Apocalypse said:
And somehow that makes some think that this means they're the West's ally.
Iran remains the no.1 state sponsor of terrorism on the planet and one of the major sources of unrest in the Middle East due to its current involvement in the matters of 4 different countries.
As such its fight with ISIS is a fight between two sides of the same kind of evil - radical Islam.
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This is the middle east, not the Western Nations, the enemy of our enemy is NOT our friend.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Kinda confused why Iran was put on this list since they are fighting the Islamic State.... :confused: But I hope both parties can work through this, I dont see this derailing the P5+1 deal though.
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I would have thought the list was based on the countries that the IS control areas are in or close to largely open borders of. I suspect it would be relatively easy to fly in to Iran and travel to the IS area before returning via a similar route. I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable not to permit visa-free travel on that basis.

I don’t see the politicians of ether side allowing something so relatively minor and unrelated to bring down such a significant agreement though they will all try to play the situation to their best advantage.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The only reason they're fighting ISIS is because they're sunni and are hostile toward Iranian shia
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Who cares why they're fighting ISIS? That like saying the only reason why you engage in self defense is because you want to live.
 
reinoe said:
Who cares why they're fighting ISIS? That like saying the only reason why you engage in self defense is because you want to live.
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If only that was the only thing Iran was involved in. Unfortunately, it's not. They regularly support numerous terror factions, most recently the Taliban, Hamas and Hezbollah. Since we've very recently seen protests against the US and other Western nations in Iran, complete with "death to America" chants, it's a safe bet we ought not be handing out Visas like candy.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If only that was the only thing Iran was involved in. Unfortunately, it's not. They regularly support numerous terror factions, most recently the Taliban, Hamas and Hezbollah. Since we've very recently seen protests against the US and other Western nations in Iran, complete with "death to America" chants, it's a safe bet we ought not be handing out Visas like candy.
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That doesn't really address what I'm pointing out: someone criticizing Iran because "the only reason they're fighting ISIS is because ISIS wants to kill it's citizens and destroy their country".
 
reinoe said:
That doesn't really address what I'm pointing out: someone criticizing Iran because "the only reason they're fighting ISIS is because ISIS wants to kill it's citizens and destroy their country".
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Sure it does.

The reason Iran is fighting is of utmost importance. That old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" shtick is old and tired. It doesn't hold water. It means nothing.

The US and the rest of the Western nations are fighting to stop the religious extremists from forming a caliphate, slaughtering innocents and from controlling the greater Levant, especially given the amount of power they would control from the oil under those sands.

Iran, on the other hand, fights for its own benefit in gaining more direct power in the Levant.

No one in their right mind thinks the fact Iran is fighting ISIS puts them on equal footing with other nations that fight ISIS.

If you don't understand that now - you likely never will.
 
reinoe said:
Who cares why they're fighting ISIS? That like saying the only reason why you engage in self defense is because you want to live.
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except Iran isn't exactly defending itself, they are in many agressors in a foreign country, to prop up an ally.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If only that was the only thing Iran was involved in. Unfortunately, it's not. They regularly support numerous terror factions, most recently the Taliban, Hamas and Hezbollah. Since we've very recently seen protests against the US and other Western nations in Iran, complete with "death to America" chants, it's a safe bet we ought not be handing out Visas like candy.
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Far and away, the Iranian citizenry doesn't feel that way about America.
 
SocialD said:
Iran has been the source of sponsorship of terrorism in many places in the world is probably why. They have been suppliers to Hamas and Hezbollah, they have been involved in sponsored terrorism in India, Bahrain, Kenya and other places. Also they are believed to have been involved in cyberterrorist activities, per our current administration.
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As the various Iranian boosters like to point out when the Iranians act like scumbags in respect of their illegal missile programs and various other douchie nonsense, "the nuclear agreement has nothing to do with [insert issue]."

Just like the nuclear agreement doesn't do anything to stop Iran from taking steps to build missiles to deliver nuclear warheads (thanks Obama!), it also does nothing to limit the ability of other states to enact security policies or impose sanctions in respect of Iranian sponsorship of terror worldwide.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If only that was the only thing Iran was involved in. Unfortunately, it's not. They regularly support numerous terror factions, most recently the Taliban, Hamas and Hezbollah. Since we've very recently seen protests against the US and other Western nations in Iran, complete with "death to America" chants, it's a safe bet we ought not be handing out Visas like candy.
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Ummm, didn't Iran initiate a hit on US soil to murder some Saudi diplomat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Iran_assassination_plot

Like WTF guys? If that isn't enough to get a country permanently on a "do not enter" list or a "investigate the **** out of anyone coming from over there" list, I don't know what is.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Ummm, didn't Iran initiate a hit on US soil to murder some Saudi diplomat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Iran_assassination_plot

Like WTF guys? If that isn't enough to get a country permanently on a "do not enter" list or a "investigate the **** out of anyone coming from over there" list, I don't know what is.
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Yes, at least they have been accused of attempting the assassination. Sadly, political assassinations are still with us, as they are a good way to get rid of folks we don't like. If they're successful, the countries accused, like the US and Israel in the assassination of Masoud Ali Mohammadi, quickly deny involvement. Sometimes, it's more difficult to deny involvement. Like the 8 times we tried (unsuccessfully) to get rid of Castro. LOL

Bottom line, many nations take part in this insidious activity.

The reason we need to kick Iran to the curb is because they've shown time and again that they are our enemies, and that they cannot be trusted.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Yes, at least they have been accused of attempting the assassination. Sadly, political assassinations are still with us, as they are a good way to get rid of folks we don't like. If they're successful, the countries accused, like the US and Israel in the assassination of Masoud Ali Mohammadi, quickly deny involvement. Sometimes, it's more difficult to deny involvement. Like the 8 times we tried (unsuccessfully) to get rid of Castro. LOL
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That Masoud guy was not a diplomat.

Bottom line, many nations take part in this insidious activity.
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Not saying they don't. Just saying that when one country tries to do that in another country, it is sort of understandable that folks trying to get to the target country from or through the first country may be subject to higher levels of scrutiny....
The reason we need to kick Iran to the curb is because they've shown time and again that they are our enemies, and that they cannot be trusted.
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Yup.
 
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