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Best Solution For Syria[W:15]
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Re: Best Solution For Syria
There is no way to bring peace to Syria that we can initiate. This will have to unfold and there will have to be a local solution that most likely will not be good for the west no matter what.
Also....remember this article when ANY politician says we should arm "moderate" rebels.
There is no way to bring peace to Syria that we can initiate. This will have to unfold and there will have to be a local solution that most likely will not be good for the west no matter what.
Also....remember this article when ANY politician says we should arm "moderate" rebels.
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That would be my choice. If ever there was a no win situation, that's it.
That would be my choice. If ever there was a no win situation, that's it.
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For the US to get out and order it's underlings to leave with them, and let the Russians restore order and border integrity.
For the US to get out and order it's underlings to leave with them, and let the Russians restore order and border integrity.
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Here's a more thoughtful initiative.
A Medieval Antidote to ISIS
Mustafa Akyol, New York Times
ISTANBUL — THE recent massacres in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., demonstrated, once again, the so-called Islamic State’s ability to win over disaffected Muslims. Using a mixture of textual literalism and self-righteous certainty, the extremist group is able to persuade young men and women from Pakistan to Belgium to pledge allegiance to it and commit violence in its name.
This is why the Islamic State’s religious ideology needs to be taken seriously. While it’s wrong to claim that the group’s thinking represents mainstream Islam, as Islamophobes so often do, it’s also wrong to pretend that the Islamic State has “nothing to do with Islam,” as many Islamophobia-wary Muslims like to say. Indeed, jihadist leaders are steeped in Islamic thought and teachings, even if they use their knowledge to perverse and brutal ends.
[h=2]Mustafa Akyol[/h]
A good place to start understanding the Islamic State’s doctrine is by reading Dabiq, the digital English-language magazine that the group puts out every month. One of the most striking pieces I have seen in it was an 18-page article in March titled “Irja’: The Most Dangerous Bid’ah,” or heresy.
Unless you have some knowledge of medieval Islamic theology you probably have no idea what irja means. The word translates literally as “postponing.” It was a theological principle put forward by some Muslim scholars during the very first century of Islam. At the time, the Muslim world was going through a major civil war, as proto-Sunnis and proto-Shiites fought for power, and a third group called Khawarij (dissenters) were excommunicating and slaughtering both sides. In the face of this bloody chaos, the proponents of irja said that the burning question of who is a true Muslim should be “postponed” until the afterlife. Even a Muslim who abandoned all religious practice and committed many sins, they reasoned, could not be denounced as an “apostate.” Faith was a matter of the heart, something only God — not other human beings — could evaluate. . . .
Here's a more thoughtful initiative.
A Medieval Antidote to ISIS
Mustafa Akyol, New York Times
ISTANBUL — THE recent massacres in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., demonstrated, once again, the so-called Islamic State’s ability to win over disaffected Muslims. Using a mixture of textual literalism and self-righteous certainty, the extremist group is able to persuade young men and women from Pakistan to Belgium to pledge allegiance to it and commit violence in its name.
This is why the Islamic State’s religious ideology needs to be taken seriously. While it’s wrong to claim that the group’s thinking represents mainstream Islam, as Islamophobes so often do, it’s also wrong to pretend that the Islamic State has “nothing to do with Islam,” as many Islamophobia-wary Muslims like to say. Indeed, jihadist leaders are steeped in Islamic thought and teachings, even if they use their knowledge to perverse and brutal ends.
[h=2]Mustafa Akyol[/h]
A good place to start understanding the Islamic State’s doctrine is by reading Dabiq, the digital English-language magazine that the group puts out every month. One of the most striking pieces I have seen in it was an 18-page article in March titled “Irja’: The Most Dangerous Bid’ah,” or heresy.
Unless you have some knowledge of medieval Islamic theology you probably have no idea what irja means. The word translates literally as “postponing.” It was a theological principle put forward by some Muslim scholars during the very first century of Islam. At the time, the Muslim world was going through a major civil war, as proto-Sunnis and proto-Shiites fought for power, and a third group called Khawarij (dissenters) were excommunicating and slaughtering both sides. In the face of this bloody chaos, the proponents of irja said that the burning question of who is a true Muslim should be “postponed” until the afterlife. Even a Muslim who abandoned all religious practice and committed many sins, they reasoned, could not be denounced as an “apostate.” Faith was a matter of the heart, something only God — not other human beings — could evaluate. . . .
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Stay out of other countries civil wars.
Stay out of other countries civil wars.
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[h=3]A U.N. resolution on Syria is shattered — and Russia is to blame[/h]
Russian forces bomb a Syrian marketplace two days after a Security Council measure prohibited such action.
[h=3]A U.N. resolution on Syria is shattered — and Russia is to blame[/h]
Russian forces bomb a Syrian marketplace two days after a Security Council measure prohibited such action.
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Blame the Russians then?
[h=3]A U.N. resolution on Syria is shattered — and Russia is to blame[/h]
Russian forces bomb a Syrian marketplace two days after a Security Council measure prohibited such action.
Blame the Russians then?
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[h=3]No, Mr. President, staying out of Syria didn’t save lives. It cost them.[/h]
Establishing a no-fly zone might have prevented the deaths of 300,000 Syrians.
Blame the Russians then?
[h=3]No, Mr. President, staying out of Syria didn’t save lives. It cost them.[/h]
Establishing a no-fly zone might have prevented the deaths of 300,000 Syrians.
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No fly zone is what the establishment says? Thought so, you are establishment since you sold yourself out to them.[h=3]No, Mr. President, staying out of Syria didn’t save lives. It cost them.[/h]
Establishing a no-fly zone might have prevented the deaths of 300,000 Syrians.
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". . . The lives Obama claims to have saved were never at risk to begin with. But plenty of lives were lost because so little was risked, and it was all done so late. The dead of Syria rebuke him — not for failing, but for not even trying."
". . . The lives Obama claims to have saved were never at risk to begin with. But plenty of lives were lost because so little was risked, and it was all done so late. The dead of Syria rebuke him — not for failing, but for not even trying."
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I would say this would have to be a two pronged approach to this countries. First, we need to reach out diplomatically to the Arab world. Saudis, The UAE, Jordan, and Kuwait need to back a war 100 percent. With help from the good ol US of A of course, those countries need to be the bulk of an evading force. This would only be to eradicate ISIS (not ISIL) but not overthrow Assad. Secondly, Assad needs to be replaced but, this will not be at the hands of the US. We learned this in the Iraqi war, when we where safer with a dictator than we are now. This has to come from the Arab league if they so chose to remove Assad.
I would say this would have to be a two pronged approach to this countries. First, we need to reach out diplomatically to the Arab world. Saudis, The UAE, Jordan, and Kuwait need to back a war 100 percent. With help from the good ol US of A of course, those countries need to be the bulk of an evading force. This would only be to eradicate ISIS (not ISIL) but not overthrow Assad. Secondly, Assad needs to be replaced but, this will not be at the hands of the US. We learned this in the Iraqi war, when we where safer with a dictator than we are now. This has to come from the Arab league if they so chose to remove Assad.
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I'm proud that my country is one where this debate takes place.
Officials debate whether U.S. rules of engagement in Syria are too cautious
Facing complaints from allies and within the government, the White House has been weighing whether to relax restrictions on strikes against Islamic State targets that could result in civilian casualties.
I'm proud that my country is one where this debate takes place.
Officials debate whether U.S. rules of engagement in Syria are too cautious
Facing complaints from allies and within the government, the White House has been weighing whether to relax restrictions on strikes against Islamic State targets that could result in civilian casualties.
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Establish a UN-monitored ceasefire between the regime and all rebel factions who are willing to sign on, and incorporate these rebels into the Syrian Army. Have a transitional period in which the participating parties, with international support, grab territory from ISIS, JaN, and any other rebel group that does not participate. Assad can stay as president during this period, but afterwards he has to step down, and free and fair elections will decide who will replace him. Dismantle the secret police and release political prisoners from the dungeons and prisons that they are held in. Grant autonomy to the Kurdish regions. All pro-Assad militias (Hezbollah, etc.) and the Iranians will leave the country, and foreign jihadists will be deported to their country of origin.
Establish a UN-monitored ceasefire between the regime and all rebel factions who are willing to sign on, and incorporate these rebels into the Syrian Army. Have a transitional period in which the participating parties, with international support, grab territory from ISIS, JaN, and any other rebel group that does not participate. Assad can stay as president during this period, but afterwards he has to step down, and free and fair elections will decide who will replace him. Dismantle the secret police and release political prisoners from the dungeons and prisons that they are held in. Grant autonomy to the Kurdish regions. All pro-Assad militias (Hezbollah, etc.) and the Iranians will leave the country, and foreign jihadists will be deported to their country of origin.