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Muslim women not bound to cover face, hands or feet: CII[W:13]

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Did you really read all of that article?
 
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Yeah, that's not really what he said. Not mandatory, but still highly recommended, especially if doing so will prevent "disorder". **** that noise. I'm sick of hearing about these troglodytes.
 
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Arcana XV said:
Yeah, that's not really what he said. Not mandatory, but still highly recommended, especially if doing so will prevent "disorder". **** that noise. I'm sick of hearing about these troglodytes.
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I thought it was significant that they would even acknowledge that it's not mandatory. Yes, they're still backwards and they treat women like subhumans, but every inch they move in the right direction is one inch closer to sanity. Very slowly the tone is starting to change.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Did you really read all of that article?
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No doubt. It's like "You don't have to, but you ****ing better!"
 
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Anomalism said:
I thought it was significant that they would even acknowledge that it's not mandatory. Yes, they're still backwards and they treat women like subhumans, but every inch they move in the right direction is one inch closer to sanity. Very slowly the tone is starting to change.
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One step forward, two steps right back. "Not mandatory, but better!" What's a good Muslim woman supposed to do with that?
 
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azgreg said:
No doubt. It's like "You don't have to, but you ****ing better!"
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It is always the same nonsensical bull**** with this ideology.

This is the exact quote...

"Covering the face and other parts of the body is not mandatory. But still it is good to follow ethics and have a careful attitude in society."

Followed up with...

"But at the same time, it is necessary to cover the face and adopt complete covering attire if there are threats of mischief."

This is what I mean when I say that the prevailing ideology of this area of the world is compatible with western governmental and/or social ideologies. It is entirely up to religious authority (local tribal level up to national level) as to what "threats of mischief" and "a careful attitude in society" means.

We are not seeing some peaceful movement to a more sane reality, nor some relax of social order and controls. Just some passive nonsensical language that still leaves it up to a bunch of older ideological men what women have to do in society.

It is why I continually say of all the ideologies out there, Islam is the furthest behind the social evolution curve. Entirely on purpose, and **** like what this article actually tells us confirms it.
 
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Arcana XV said:
One step forward, two steps right back. "Not mandatory, but better!" What's a good Muslim woman supposed to do with that?
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I don't think it was two steps back. I think you fail to realize how significant an acknowledgment like that is in their culture. Even though he said "Well, it's usually better that you do." the significance of the acknowledgment is not undone. Someday the Middle East will treat men and women as equals. It will take time and progress will be slow, but it will happen. Small things like this will begin to pave the way for that in my opinion.
 
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Anomalism said:
I don't think it was two steps back. I think you fail to realize how significant an acknowledgment like that is in their culture. Even though he said "Well, it's usually better that you do." the significance of the acknowledgment is not undone. Someday the Middle East will treat men and women as equals. It will take time and progress will be slow, but it will happen. Small things like this will begin to pave the way for that in my opinion.
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Yes, hugely significant. Except all of this is a wahabbi import into the culture over the past few decades, since 75 years ago face covering and headscarves were not as common outside of Arabia.

But I guess this is "Progress" compared to the various rulings about the extent to which a man can beat his wives.
 
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Anomalism said:
I don't think it was two steps back. I think you fail to realize how significant an acknowledgment like that is in their culture. Even though he said "Well, it's usually better that you do." the significance of the acknowledgment is not undone. Someday the Middle East will treat men and women as equals. It will take time and progress will be slow, but it will happen. Small things like this will begin to pave the way for that in my opinion.
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It's Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia. The statement is not that significant an acknowledgment in a country that elected a woman Prime Minister, twice, whose face and hands were visible at all times.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Yes, hugely significant. Except all of this is a wahabbi import into the culture over the past few decades, since 75 years ago face covering and headscarves were not as common outside of Arabia.

But I guess this is "Progress" compared to the various rulings about the extent to which a man can beat his wives.
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hey the stick can only be as thick as your finger, she should be fine after that kind of beating and the head to toe covering ensures no evidence is ever seen

don't get me going in yet another thread about this it makes my blood boil...

okay leaving peacefully before the apologists arrive :peace
 
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Arcana XV said:
It's Pakistan, not Saudi Arabia. The statement is not that significant an acknowledgment in a country that elected a woman Prime Minister, twice, whose face and hands were visible at all times.
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Meh, maybe I overestimated the significance of this. I try to be optimistic. It will be a multitude of tiny steps that eventually lead to women being treated as equals in the Middle East.
 
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