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Sunni are seeking their own land...like all others ***[W:25]***

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This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
 
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Land seeked for religious purposes is never a good thing.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Land seeked for religious purposes is never a good thing.
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'seeked'? Don't you mean 'sought'. Is English your mother-tongue?

If not, carry on.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Land seeked for religious purposes is never a good thing.
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There is no actual empirical evidence to support any of the religious claims, thereby there is reason in believing them. So based on such BS religious grounds, anything sought for religious purposes is never a good thing (at least not in the long run).
 
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Way too overly simplistic.

One, Sunnis already account for something like 85% of the religion suggesting that Sunnis are just seeking land means it would be adversarial to anything outside of Sunni. More than going after Shiites or Kurds it would mean going after land held by other cultures with other faiths.

Two, living under a "king" in our context is not really the goal. What the general consensus is comes down to the merger of ideologies as described in their religious text, or the merger of religious authority as described by their faith as it collides with modern interpretations of governmental authority. It is the key reason that most of the time the installment of western governmental and social ideologies fail, and also the key reason that the region is historically speaking filled to the brim with military and ideological dictators of some flavor. It was true then, and it is mostly true now when you really evaluate who is really in charge in these nations even if the title is something faith based. Theocracy of any flavor is incompatible with self determination, and shows well why there is such animosity not just between the flavors of the dominant faith in that region but animosity against anything outside of that faith.
 
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Ya just like the Germans were seeking their own land too right? Just come out and say it you support ISIS, disgusting.
 
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"like all other" what are seeing their own land?
 
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starcitizen said:
Ya just like the Germans were seeking their own land too right? Just come out and say it you support ISIS, disgusting.
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He's trying to justify ISIS because the cats out of the bag so to speak.

His President supports ISIS and he's trying to come to terms with it.
 
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Andalublue said:
'seeked'? Don't you mean 'sought'. Is English your mother-tongue?

If not, carry on.
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Why yes you are correct. You get a big brownie point! Was that your only point, your only objection that I used the wrong word late at night? I do remember thinking that didnt look right, but I didnt really give a **** enough to figure it out. MY point still stands; land sought for religious purposes is always a bad thing.

[I bet you can find the grammar mistakes in that; more brownie point awaits you!]
 
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DDD said:
There is no actual empirical evidence to support any of the religious claims, thereby there is reason in believing them. So based on such BS religious grounds, anything sought for religious purposes is never a good thing (at least not in the long run).
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True and religious endeavors as far as the Sunni and ****es go will always be to their peril. Much like the Catholics and the Protestants, nothing good has come from their endeavors.
 
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Your support of the enemy notwithstanding, what makes them "right"?
 
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It's a matter of perspective.

Prior to the Iraq War, the U.S. once supported the Sunni through the Saudi government and Saddam. Back then, the Shia were the ones being oppressed. Now, that has reversed.

While I totally, 100% disagree with their methods, they're fight is for equality within their lands - well, the more moderate Sunni anyway.

I'd never support the Caliphate. Their methods are barbaric. But if anyone dared to do some research on this, you'd find that I'm right in what I've stated.

Doesn't make me a traitor, doesn't mean I'm siding with "the enemy" because in this fight the U.S. is trying to play both ends mainly because we're trying to get our foreign policy right in the ME. For now, we're willing to accept a short-term peace in the hopes that this hot spot in the world cools down. Some will call it being passive, but it's the right thing to do given the circumstances.
 
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I always felt Iraq would have done better as 3 separate countries. I always felt the Kurds should have received their own slice of land after 2006. That region could use (in my opinion) a strong Kurdistan again.
 
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Objective Voice said:
This may be hard for many people to understand, but I've come to the conclusion that the Sunni are the group more in the right at this present time.

The caliphat is an old traditional position, this is true, but a King is what they seek. In time, they'll realize their wrong same as the early Israelites once did, but they'll learn soon enough how difficult it can be living under a King.

Although I can't go fight for their cause, I do know this soon will pass.
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Saudi's are Sunni's basically living under a king as they have been for some time now. Don't think it's about to go away anytime soon.
 
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Andalublue said:
'seeked'? Don't you mean 'sought'. Is English your mother-tongue?

If not, carry on.
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or OOOOORRRRRR... he could be playing a silly miss spelling of another religion as kind of a pun?

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Objective Voice said:
It's a matter of perspective.

Prior to the Iraq War, the U.S. once supported the Sunni through the Saudi government and Saddam. Back then, the Shia were the ones being oppressed. Now, that has reversed.

While I totally, 100% disagree with their methods, they're fight is for equality within their lands - well, the more moderate Sunni anyway.

I'd never support the Caliphate. Their methods are barbaric. But if anyone dared to do some research on this, you'd find that I'm right in what I've stated.

Doesn't make me a traitor, doesn't mean I'm siding with "the enemy" because in this fight the U.S. is trying to play both ends mainly because we're trying to get our foreign policy right in the ME. For now, we're willing to accept a short-term peace in the hopes that this hot spot in the world cools down. Some will call it being passive, but it's the right thing to do given the circumstances.
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Sunnis aren't oppressed. they are about 80% of the Muslim population while Shi'ites are about 20%.
 
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poweRob said:
or OOOOORRRRRR... he could be playing a silly miss spelling of another religion as kind of a pun?

Sikh
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You really think he's playing 'silly miss'?

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poweRob said:
Sunnis aren't oppressed. they are about 80% of the Muslim population while Shi'ites are about 20%.
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In this case, I'm referring to those living in Iraq and Syria.

As to your post #15, you're correct. Which is in a sense what the majority of Sunni living in Iraq and Syria want for themselves as well. Unfortunately, their idealism is so very wrongheaded.
 
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Fenton said:
He's trying to justify ISIS because the cats out of the bag so to speak.

His President supports ISIS and he's trying to come to terms with it.
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You'd be wrong on both counts here.

I don't support what ISIS is doing and I think U.S. foreign policy decision making in the ME from GWB to the Obama Administration in what can only be deemed a Muslim civil war has been abysmal. We've changed sides based on which dictator we liked least and it's bound to catch up to us sooner or later. But that doesn't mean that a people (Sunni-minority in Iraq and Suni-majority Syria) need be oppressed by the Shia-ruling governments in both countries. They only wanted fair representation from their governments like anyone else.

Now, I totally disagree with what ISIS/ISIL is doing. But on the issues of unequal representation, unfair treatment and oppressive governments in both countries, I can understand why they choose to fight back. I just wholeheartedly disagree with their methods.
 
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Objective Voice said:
In this case, I'm referring to those living in Iraq and Syria.

As to your post #15, you're correct. Which is in a sense what the majority of Sunni living in Iraq and Syria want for themselves as well. Unfortunately, their idealism is so very wrongheaded.
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If you give religious land grabbers what they want they don't stop grabbing land. They think it's their divine right. Especially what ISIS is wanting. We will never solve the sunni vs shi'ite issue. They've decided to hold grudges forever. My fix would be to take their money from them (so they fight low tech therefore lower casualty wars) by making oil worth nothing with an energy revolution away from fossil fuels.
 
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Al qaede-taliban-isis-boko haram are sunni too
do you know that how many palestinis joined isis?
 
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poweRob said:
If you give religious land grabbers what they want they don't stop grabbing land. They think it's their divine right. Especially what ISIS is wanting.
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True, hence the reason I could never support ISIS/ISIL. While I can understand the underlying cause to which their fighting for - tyranny and oppression from the Iraqi and Syrian governments - I could never condone their methods for seeking equality and inclusion within a representative government. To the point, land grabs, murder and rape is not a true sign of power, just brutality and instilling fear as far and wide as they can. You don't use tyranny to fight tyranny.

We will never solve the sunni vs shi'ite issue.
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You are correct. We won't! It's their mess, their religious ideology that's in question and, thus, their religious civil war not to mention their fight for respect and equality on the one hand and power/superiority on the other. We cannot solve their problem. And even if our desire is to try and contain it to keep the hostilities from spilling over into other lands, it's really up to those nations that are directly affected to push back. This includes our so-called allies in the region. The more unilateral action (or the appearance of same) we take, the harder it will be for us to get out of it.

They've decided to hold grudges forever. My fix would be to take their money from them (so they fight low tech therefore lower casualty wars) by making oil worth nothing with an energy revolution away from fossil fuels.
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Good point. It might be the main reason this Administration has been trying to shift from our nation's dependence of fossil fuels and invest more in alternative energy not to mention drill/refine more of our own domestic oil resources.
 
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dani67 said:
do you know that how many palestinis joined isis?
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Why don't you tell us? Guessing games aren't appropriate in a serious discussion thread.
 
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